+1
But only if they still use the Empath's preamps along with the SL3

if they were to redesign the empath and use an sl3, it would only make sense for it to have some control over SL. there wouldn't be as much as the 68 has because of the size.

The dual USB for laptop swapping would be ideal

not really a necessity if you still carry records or cd's. it's not like an sl1 where you need a power supply. but i agree, would be nice.

i think the two soundcard thing would drive up the price too much

i'd rather pay less and have a single soundcard

BUMP

PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

People have been asking for this for years, and with the intro of the SL3 it makes more sense than ever!

would be awesome imho!

+1

They really should have the empathsl

yes!

im in for this

+1

I have the cash saved for a new mixer and SL-3, and it's burning a hole in my pocket!!!!

+1
this is perfect for so many setups

Much support for the Empath and future Rane innovation.

+1 would definitely upgrade to an "EmpathSL"

+1

+1

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+1

+1

Yeah the Sixty-Eight is mad expensive and the 57 hardware could do with an update. I'd pay £1200-1500 for one of these beasts!

empath-sl !!!!!!!!!! please!!!!!!!!!!!!

if they put cue buttons on it let's hope they use rubber ones instead of hard plastic

Cmon RANE let's get this thing started.....

i bet chad the the guys at rane are thinking about this and cooking up a storm.

+1

I want to say noo......... Only because I bought one already......... :-(

Just adding in my vote on this.

And I'd be very surprised if Rane hasn't already got a product like this in development.

me too. If they didn't I'd think they were insane to tell you the truth.

Some official word would be fantastic.

NAMM 2011?

I know I can't afford the 68........I had my SL1 and TTM56 for centuries time to upgrade.

+1 bring it on

I know I can't afford the 68........I had my SL1 and technics mixer for centuries time to upgrade.

I can't remember if I expressed my interest in this or not?

Guess I better make sure...

Empath SL please!!!!!111!1!1!!!one!!!11111ONE1111!!!!!

fixed

not really

Please Rane! Empath SL will be the end-all club mixer for me.

really?? hmmm.....aight let me know when that EMpathSL comes out

yeah, i really wish someone from rane or serato would chime in to atleast tell us whether its in the plans or not. Hell i'd even settle for some sort of riddle.

hmmm...let me know when that EMpathSL doesn't come out...

Personally, i think Rane would be missing a trick if they didn't release it.

I'd buy a Rotary Empath SL!

+1x10^6

OK.....its not out.....i havent heard anyting about it being released tomarow....or next weekend....or next month....or by christmas...

It's not a matter of IF But WHEN!!

and anyway, get off your computer and stop talking to internet chumps like me and get down RANE's headquarters, do some hustlin' an a bustlin', rattle some cages and find out where this goddamn mixer is COZ I WANT IT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

lol this man mean business.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

well too late I just copped an sl3 and djm 700 :)

peace

That's a wicked combination bro.

let's talk features

Obviously support for 3 decks
aux in for SP-6
internal record
dual USB (a la 68)
scratchlive controls
midi everything

the big question for me is how to handle 3 channels of cue buttons. would they be next to the faders... Along each side (only 2 channels)...

I think it would be sweet to have the same control strip from the 68. Then Rane could make an add-on part that would extend control via USB. 68 users could buy two and have 4 dedicated native control strips next to each deck (or side by side) and EmpathSL users could have 3. However...soft rubber button versions.

This is a Major revamp on Empath's faceplate......I agree it should be all midi.

I dont think 2 USB would be necessary. If a club's going to be installing a mixer, it'd more likely be a 4 channel i.e. the Sixty Eight. It'd be more aimed at the travelling DJ taking there own setups everywhere.

Like the idea of an additional USB strip!

I've decided I'm going to have to have a rotary version too.

Oh yes me likey this suggestion, +1!

Just wondering...
Why does everyone go soo gaga over the rotary version of the empath?
I have an empath myself, but it is the one with regular upfaders...
I absolutely f*$king LOVE the thing, but If it had rotaries, I would lose the ability to do clean chirps, stabs etc with the upfaders....
Is the rotary version more for the electro djs?

i dont like rotarie mixers, i dont know why, just dont like them.

If you play house/"EDM" music and tend to do very long blends/overlays, there's really nothing like the feel and mix-control of good rotary faders.

They're definitely not the preferred thing for hip-hop/turntablist DJ's,

your right, if your pulling a tiesto!

Rotary faders have nothing to do with Tiesto, and have been around a lot longer.

i know i know, im just kidding around. ive messed around on the rane 2016 mixer, i dont know just dont like the feel of them rotaries. i wanna give them one more shot tho some day :) i know im missing something.

pretend like they're little boobies and you're rotating'em, then you'll like the feel of them

ibtl

This article about the evolution of the DJ crossfader (www.rane.com) gives a little insight into why rotary controls may be preferred in certain mixing applications.

In the summary the author notes, "In the end, the crossfader has provided functionality far beyond what was originally envisioned. Advanced topologies allow mixing styles not possible with two knobs (can you imagine scratching on a UREI; however, we must concede that some traditional mixing tasks are best accomplished with the two knob method.)" -Rick Jeffs, RaneNote 146, written 1999

TBH, right or wrong, i get along using the gain knob if i want rotary control.

I think we're missing the point here guys. Rotary or Linear it doesn't matter. The point is WHERE IS THIS MIXER?? WHEN IS COMING OUT? AND WHEN ARE RANE GONNA COMMENT?

COME ON RANE!! THROW US A LIFELINE COZ WE CAN'T SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!

Ha, literally. I woke up before 10am somehow and here I am checking this thread.

haha +1

+1

fuckin matters to me, If its only rotary I just flat out wont want it!

I'm sure rotary would be either in addition to, not at all or after a linear one came out.

skratch mixer or die! thats what im sayin!

i saw someone put 4 innofaders in to an empath!

it was very nice (in borat's voice)

HAAA!!! HAAA!!!! RANE YOU CRACK ME UP!!!!

Rane you must have think we'd forgotten...but we haven't...not in the bloody slightest!!!!

In case, you had forgotten, let me spell it out for you...

WHERE THE HELL IS THIS MIXER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want i'm more than willing to book a flight out there and build it for you in your laboratories!!!

I would actually look forward to sleeping on the streets and eating nothing but dog turds for a couple of months just to make sure that this mixer is becoming a REALITY.(SERIOUS).

Basically, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SEE THAT THIS BABY SHIPS INTO THE HANDS OF FELLOW RANER'S WHO KNOW THE SCORE THAT THIS MIXER IS NOT JUST A DJ MIXER BUT AN INSTRUMENT.

Yours Sincerely,

Roy Rohypnol.

P.S. WHERE THE HELL IS THIS MIXER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i bet its coming out at the next NAMM..
quote me on that!

Good Lad!!

I've just swallowed a lump of white dog shit in anticipation 'GULP'

Right, now that that's gone down the hatch lovely, WHO ELSE IS UP for THIS!!!!

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!

LETS SEE YOUR SWORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

buy this in a heart beat.

something right in-between a 57 and 68

GOOD MAN!!!!!!!!!

WHO ELSE IS UP FOR IT!!!!!!!

COME ON DON'T BE SHY!!!!!!!!!

sign me up

To be honest, with a name like Intel Army I had already counted you in!!!

SO COME ON!!!, WHO ELSE!!!!!!!!!

dog shit - no
Empath SL - Hells Yesssss

i'm still down!! i can't bring myself to buy the 68...it's just too much for what i need....and i keep passing on the 57 because it's not quite enough...

I am in the exact same position as you C.William. 2 channels aren't quite enough and 4 channels is just too much.

Imma let you folks dream because such mixer is not coming. Dream on dreamers.rane is not going to produce a product that is that close in relation with their flagship mixer. The 68 is very nice but also has a very big price tag. A mixer like the one you folks are talking about is a nice concept. Keep on waiting because it's going to be a long time before such product hits the market.

if that's the case then i'll just go ahead with my current plan and grab a used djm 800 to pair with my sl3. the more i think about it that probably makes the most sense anyway seeing as how the 800 is already installed in most of the places i spin at..

Fear knocked loudly at the door, Faith answered....And there was no-one there.......

lol

It's the truth.

+1

I'll be happy with an "Empath S"

-- modify it a bit and put in all magnetic faderssss... o yeah... it'll be perfect to use with the SL3

Yeah but native control like on the 57 would be epic for three turntables, or whatever piece of junk u decide u want to dj with.

Great. So you're totally right so far. I hope your happy. I know I'm not happy because I haven't gotten the slightest whiff of an EMPATH SL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only silver lining in this situation is that the money I squirreled away to purchase this mythical beast has been earning interest while Rane drags their feet on my 3 channel USB 2.0 High output mixer.

+1

Signed. Cash in hand ready to go. Waiting on a new mixer to see if this will come soon.

so is anybody using the empath with sl3? ive been shopping around for a three channel mixer and the empath seems like it may be the best bet...

Been using the empath with sl4. Fantastic. 3rd channel for full eq and vol control over the bridge/SP-6, plus the aux when you really start using all off SSL's outputs. Oh and the send/return is great for livefeed or adding ableton fx to your set

but maybe we'd all be better off if no one bought a single rane offering until the empathSL is released! Free the EmpathSL!! Free the EmpathSL!!

thanks wunder i think thats what im leaning towards as well

do you use the bridge with your third channel?

and do you use the 20 or 40?

Bridge and sp-6 are routed to third channel. I wire channel 4 on the sl4 just in case for any reason I need it, but I don't think i've ever mixed more than three sources before.



The APC? No, saving up for an ipad

so what are you using to control the third deck? just int mode?

I haven't needed to mix tracks on the 3rd and 4th deck so far, just the Bridge and Sp-6, which I will one day control with an iPad.


By the way, can I borrow an iPad?

just got my empath and hooked it up... sounds great so far!

wow empath + sl3 sounds incredible

I know right? Imagine if they were combined into an EmpathSL?

man i hope so i sold my 57, i miss it :(

How much did you sell it for? I'm trying to get rid of mine

$1,000 :( it was the newest model too, the one with the red outline :(

Damn, I have the 1st gen (with upgraded fader blocks and whatnot)

was hoping to get that much... phooey

So I had a little chat with Shaun from Rane the other day, he said the 3-channel EmpathSL would cost the same as the 4-channel 68 to manufacture, and not to hold my breath.

Now that I've gotten over the lump in my throat from that news I've found this Denon that I think will be my new 4-channel, mind giving me some feedback?

serato.com

I still want it.

10" multi channel Serato mixer!!!!

even make a midiEmpath

let's go

your customers are speaking loud and clear

Rane can save some costs by leaving the cue buttons off.

Right? I mean everyone has a pair of Dicer's nowadays, and we all know Rane hasn't quite mastered their Cue Button design yet.

@Dub if you have an opinion on the Denon DN-X1600 serato.com I'd like to hear it

it's not a Rane

it looks dope though, especially for the price

hmm that is un-groovy

I really don't understand why Rane isn't hearing us on this. The empathSL has been requested for as long as the 57 has been out. They act there isn't enough demand but how many times will this thread be created, +1'd, and searched before we get what we want. We are asking for something very specific and we are the people who use the Rane DJ line to the fullest.

The 68 is too much and the 57 is not enough. There is a place in the middle for this product.

I want three virtual decks, with 3 faders, 3 sets of EQs, and to be able to assign any deck to either side of the crossfader on the fly, just like the current empath.

I don't want 4 faders, I don't want 4 virtual decks, I don't want my SP6 on a fader, I would rather have it controlled with a knob via an aux input. I don't need Bridge and SP6 at the same time, so it could be switchable. I don't need 2 mic inputs. I don't even need onboard effects, but I would opt for them if I could. Most importantly, I want to keep the 10" form factor.

I could live without 2 USB ports, but I do want it to be USB2 so that I can send more audio down the pipes at higher bit rate.

I do want MIDI assignably. I do want dedicated track scrolling/loading. I do want assignable soft controls with switchable banks.

Where's AKIEM? Maybe he has to put an SL4 inside an Empath to prove it works.

I mean come on....Rane can make the Empath in 3 different colorways and 2 different versions but they can't make the SL version that is specifically being requested?

I agree 100%. If there was a way to agree more than 100%, I would agree 1000%. Truly in my heart I agree with that entire thought 1,000,000x1,000,000%

am I wrong in thinking the market for a 3 channel SL mixer would be bigger than the market for a 4 channel 19" rack mount mixer, no wait.....TWO new rack mount mixers.

you know, something that fits in the space that the 57 is sitting in a majority of clubs the world over.

yh i really don't get this - there was not a great demand for the 68, and if the hope was to go up against Pioneer for installs, I can guarantee that it didn't work (the anecdotal evidence is overwhelming).

but, the Empath and 56/57 have been solidly popular, so why not build on that?

maybe Rane isn't doing too well financially and can't spare the money for R&D to develop a new mixer,

its easy to wire up an SL box internally if there is room for it, d.i.y. mods have shown this but if they brought out a new mixer it would have to be midi and have some fancy buttons on it, so not just as simple as slapping a box in it


and we don't know what licencing agreement they have with serato, maybe there only contracted to do 2 mixers and cannot do another one, serato seem to be getting very friendly with other manafacturing companies like pioneer and that maybe the contract is ending soon and they might team up with them or someone else, who knows all we can do is speculate

this would be a great product to add to rane's lineup. I personally want another 2 channel "upgrade" but might even consider this instead depended on the design...

so yeah +1000

this thread just makes me mad now

Having now owned an Empath, I can see how unrealistic this would be. It would be so cramped that it wouldn't even be nice to use.

Never mind that no one is putting out a rotary option mixer for normal money.

I think a emptah, with a simple rotary/fader swap system would be a HUGE selling point for
muliti DJ rooms.
Not ONLY 2 usbs, but you can swap out the fader system on the fly!
granted how often would that get used in that fashion, but still a 3 channel, with 2 usbs
and the option of faders & rotaries...

might even bring back some EDM heads from traktor.

The only way i'd ever sell my current empath and sl3 setup is if they bring
out empathSL.....yeh the new 2 channel option is all very good and well, just aint
gona cut it for me with out that 3rd channel..

Well the new chassis on the 62 would lend itself well to a 3 channel layout. 63?

Yah i dont see them providing a new 3 channell mixer if they just bought out 3 new 2 channel ones.

Like others here I've been following Rane's product cycle for the last few years anticipating the release of an updated Empath SL. So now that we know that Rane is releasing the Sixty-One and Sixty-Two, is it a bad time to consider buying an Empath? I'm running SL3 on an old 2 channel mixer that's wearing out (recently paid to repair a broken gain) and I'm looking to get on with my next mixer. The new 2 channel Rane mixers look really dope, but I'm not jumping at the chance to buy one. So I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on an Empath. It seems that the Empath has stood the test of time and owners seem very satisfied. But it could be a terrible time to buy if Rane released an Empath SL next year with a killer feature set followed by a possible price drop on existing stock for the "classic" Empath. Thoughts and opinions?

Still wondering why you would need a 3 channel mixer when the new 62 allows you to route the signal from the SP6 to the Aux channel

A dedicated third channel with a slide fader and 3 band eq with a phono/line level input offers more flexibility for signal routing both within and outside of ScratchLive. The footprint and features of a 4 channel mixer are overkill for mobile use IMHO. And just to squash the common argument about the need for more than 2 channels... I'm not the grandmaster of mixing, but I've been djing long enough to make good use of a 3 channel mixer.

Yeah unless you can cue and EQ the aux channel on the 62 then having the dedicated 3rd channel is much more flexible.

I can't help but think they should have just released a 62 and a 63 (Empath SL) and kept the TTM57sl as their budget 2 channel serato-built-in mixer. I would 100% be getting a 3 channel mixer with serato built in and cue/vid control. That would have been all bases covered in my eyes

Who knows...maybe they have one in the works. Patience young grasshoppers

you can cue the aux on the 62. no eq, but it does have a dedicated filter...

Why is there only one aux? They brag about the pair of 20-channel sound cards or whatever, but you can't use SP-6 & the Bridge at the same time? There should have at least been 2 aux channels, if not an aux plus 3rd channel w/fader.

Think they could fit almost 50% more buttons on there?

Exactly my feeling.

they had to move on from USB 1.1

I think the 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 (as the 68 update) will prove to ultimate Serato Mixer range

prove to be the*

but just think-

1. They have NEW 2, 3 and 4 channel boxes.
2. NEW 2 channel and 4 channel mixers <<< whats missing

If they were going to do any new products I know what one id place a bet on. Fingers crossed.

maybe next year with be the 63
and the year after a retooled 4-channel (when Serato finally adds sync)

the new 62 in a three channel version would just be nuts. Please Rane, let that be your next product

I like your thinking. As much as i luv my 68 a 3 channel version with the new cue buttons and a little more space between up-faders would be the ultimate for me.

I think 3 channels (at least) is a must for mobile guys. I strictly do mobile and I just don't feel comfortable only having 2 channels. I need at least 1 channel to use as a backup (ipod ) that is ready to go at the drop of a dime. Also, depending on which DJ I am working with, they like to use their own gear so I just route them into my mixer via a dedicated channel. I know I could possibly use the aux in for that but as other people mentioned having dedicated eq is a plus.
I use a 19" mixer and dual cd player right now, but I would def swich to some CDJs or Denon 3700s and a 3 channel empath SL if it was there!

that's what the aux input is for, i hook up a i pod in my 56 as backup

+1
An aux input is definitely a good feature (if not a must have) for a backup iPod, CDJ, etc, that can function independently of ScratchLive, but a dedicated channel with cue function and eq is where it's at. IMHO if Rane eventually rolls out a new 3 channel mixer it would be a slam dunk, shatter the backboard, and hang for a few...

You can still do this. Even the 57 has 4 inputs, we just usually only use 2. Plug your ipod with adapter into one of the unused channels, it takes .25 seconds to flip the knob switch at the top of the mixer. ;)

Having said that, I am still TOTALLY wanting them to make an EmpathSL!

instagram.com

I eventually got mad enough

so what do you think? is this a modified empath or something new

just say this "True mastery requires forging your own sword."

so it's a mod

I want a 4 channel rotary 68, or something of this nature. There is still a big market out for rotary mixers, and if anything putting a newer rotary mixer out would help.

Not a 68, but a 64: i57.tinypic.com

Two Questions:

1. Do you have a napkin?

2. Where can I find something that beautiful?

stay tuned...

Nice!

there is an empathSL out there

yes there is

tinypic.com

then that makes it two