But I can't find the Snow Leopard drivers on the NS7 site... mmm...

have to say that numark and the ns7 is making good moves... vestax are you listening? hello are you even on this forum anymore?

whats wrong with vestax? there forum representation is very slim... but it does work with snow leopard...

If I remember well, the VCI is a MIDI compliant device, and no driver is required.
Actually, mine works great on Snow Leopard.

Also the NS7 works fine with 10.6 here, with the old driver...

i just saw this on skratchworx - so excited.
i remember thinking i was losing something going from traktor pro to itch, but now i have the best of both worlds.

i am refering to working with traktor and virtualDJ meaning giving you more options

i would love to see my vci work with virtual dj... so i can do karaoke right from the vci... but i'd hate to get away from itch... so winamp it is for karaoke.

and video and a sampler all in virtualDJ which i own so that is why i am saying the versitility comes in play

However... Numark seems to be VERY SERIOUS and care a lot about their flagship product. Thumbs up.

lol

The NS7 + Itch 1.1 is already 10.6 compatible in 32-bit mode. If you plan to use 64-bit (not encouraged) or plan to use the NS7 with some other software (Kraal mentions above) you will want to download the new Snow Leopard beta driver from the Numark web site.

So although we have seen numerous post from users confirming ITCH 1.1 is working with the VCI300, is this to say that the compatibility stamp is hardware specific, as I don't recall seeing anyone from Serato out right say ITCH 1.1 is ok on Snow Leopard?

i bet its because they havent made a 64 bit specific version yet... the same 32 bit version does work with snow leopard but i bet the next version out will run faster. :)

But I thought that Snow Leopard runs on 64 by default? And it is compatible with 32.

it is... and it does... i have had success as well as many others with snow leopard.. my point was that i think they want to make it run natively in 64 bit so it would run and process a lot faster.. i would hope they'd be working on that..

No, it's 32 bit. But there are apps like the Finder, Quicktime X, which always run in 64 bit. If you want to run full 64 bit you have to enable it by pressing 6+4 keys at startup. If you REALLY want to...!

There are no SL 64 bits music apps available at the moment. Also, the real advantage of 64 bits computing is not as relevant as one may think, so I highly doubt developers will invest in total rewrites of their softwares for 64 bit processing (i.e. NI says they're "evaluating the investment", company jargon for "nope").

Much more interesting: the Grand Central Dispatch (multicore management) and Open CL (GPU free cycles management) Apple technologies that debuted in Snow Leopard. Easier to include in an existing 32 bit application like ITCH than rewriting everything for 64 processing.

Early real world tests look amazing --> www.macrumors.com , talk about 30-100% gap up in performance, depending on tasks. This will give a strong advantage over comparable Windows machines.

Welcome to a new world where older machines actually get FASTER while aging! :)

if they keep on like this consider me a convert

If you guys have a free half hour, and feel a bit tech-geek, ARS TECHNICA published a perfect, indepth review of SL, including the aforementioned technologies, here --> arstechnica.com

From page 11 onwards, there's an incredibly exhaustive explaination of cuncurrency processing and the way GDP implements it in Snow Leopard, plug a description of what Open CL is and why you should know about it.

Highly recommended!

wow good stuff

hi djcerla,
it is nice to see that GCD is part of the os and makes life easier for the mac programmer, but this is nothing new on windows side, the only difference is that the mechanism isn't built right into the core of windows to be used in a programming language, .Net for example has built in support for parallellism which goes beyond GCD imho.
i've been using similar techniques for years now in plain windows development, throwing functions on a factory which owns a pool of threads which runs the function..works great and although it ain't that sofisticated as GCD it does the job :)
the real trick is to be able to get code running in parallel, i mean, if you need to ask the user for input all the code following isn't thread-able...
i should need to analyse the threads being pulled by itch on windows but i guess that serato does use threads everywhere to get things flowing, and maybe the biggest problem is to sync them all together to the final result :)

i'm no mac-basher, i don't know the machine that well :) but the new methods aren't that shocking to me....
what i do believe is that due to the fact that the machine is totally apple the drivers and optimasation on hardware level are far better than windows...i guess..

oh well, just random thought on a friday morning :) thx for the link though, very interesting to read, makes me wanna play with it to see what gives :)

marcA,

I'm not a programmer, even if I had 2 university exams on that, but I think the bottom line on GCD is (from the Ars Technica review):



Very well said, IMHO.

I think the winning point of GCD and Open CL is the ease of integration in existing software. Another article about the first benchmark on optimized code (50% faster!) --> www.appleinsider.com

hi djcerla,
exactly as the article says: it is great that it is bakes into the OS, making the task easy and one does not have an excuse any longer not to multithread :)
the way they implemented it is also beatiful in the way that you can wrap blocks of code in subsequent pushes on the fifo stack, this is something that a simple programmer can't do if the compiler does not have it in it. so yes i would love to see something like that in windows also, don't get me wrong :)
no doubt mac programs could/will benefit a lot from this new feature
and be glad you're a gifted dj, programming is way more boring :)
cu
marc

So bottom line... Does Itch 1.1 and the NS7 work good with Snow Leopard.
I am very worried my other setup which is a Mac Book Pro and an SL3 with Scratch LIVE did not work and was a nightmare to fix I had to uninstall and missed a live gig cause of it. I Gig every night and cant afford another mishap like that. I worked with Mark in Tech support and he was blown away by my problems with Snow Leopard and Scratch LIVE. SO DOES IT WORK PERFECT or does it just work but double all your music and act crazy all the time (slow program startup, slow turn off, doulbling of all songs, lost or missing files and just slow as hell) Thats what Scratch Live did!!

DJ GRIM

well i am hearing some people are having the same issue with itch.... and some people like myself are having no issues. If your set up is fine and you have a seperate laptop for dj'n then i say dont risk it cause honestly i see no great change upon upgrading

Cool thats what I figured, working with Chad in Tech support he said until I heard a major update from Serato then dont do it. But I do have just one Macbook pro per setup and I want to put Snow Leopard on both so that I can use all its new faster features but it can wait my music is way more important. THANKS. HEY CHECK OUT MY NEW DISCUSSION ABOUT SOUND CLOUD!!!

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