TTM 57 not so user friendly (Effects Wise)

j_dim 8:24 AM - 13 July, 2006

the effects controller is not user friendly and too hard to use when you are spinning at a club.

It would be dope if we could choose what Frequencies we can use the effects on. Like the Pioneer 909, and I would like to be able to use the Joysticks as effects controllers for example down on the joystick can be the on switch, up can be the on hold switch, and the left and right can be effects off.

as for the effects i hope its possible to come up with Hold Echo, and Hold Delay, basically the bag of effects that The Pio 909 has.

I mean I like the mixer alot but the only advantage I feel I have compared to other mixers is the ability to control serato, and Record your mixes on separate tracks. i dunno if its just me or maybe i need some time to get used to it, cuz the effects transitions arent really working for me.

last night was the 2nd time i used a 909 the effects are very user friendly, and it had me thinking maybe i should've got that mixer instead of the ttm 57.

if serato can implement another way of controlling the effects such as the joysticks, or customize how you wanna use the joysticks then it would be a life saver.

s42000 3:23 PM - 13 July, 2006

I have never used a 909 or effects at all, but I will agree the 57's effects are not so user friendly. These being my first venture into effects have been challenging to use and seeing all those turds online using effects, I figure there must be an easier way.
I do not have any suggestions (no effects experience) but would like to see what others think.

rj 4:43 PM - 13 July, 2006

We understand that the effects in the 57 can be intricate to use in a live performance. While they are quality effects, they require the user to properly set several parameters to get the sound they want. We’re working on breaking the effects into "types" which set many of the parameters for you, leaving only 1 or 2 parameters for the user to adjust. We hope to get these into beta soon.

wreck-one 4:45 PM - 13 July, 2006

true... its a hard transition from my 909. but i guess it just takes some getting used to.

rj 4:50 PM - 13 July, 2006

We'll get there. Our top priority is to design six filter effects and two delay effects from the two, more complex effects that we have now.

Deft 5:10 PM - 13 July, 2006

Endless rotary encoders are never going to be that inspirational. The effects are functional, but leave me a little cold. I think standard rotaries with visual start and end-points might have been a better option for effects control.

LaJollaDJs 9:06 PM - 14 July, 2006

Instead of having just linear indicators, it would be cool of there could be an onscreen gui that resembled a efx-500.

I don't have my ttm57 yet so I'm not sure if it has this or not but to turn an encoder for something like an echo bpm effect doesn't seem right. It would be better to use one of the joysticks to click between 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1/1, etc... so you could quickly alter an echo in sync with the beat of the song.

Dj Ace 4:34 PM - 15 July, 2006

It already has that feature LaJolla!

DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:05 PM - 15 July, 2006

werd

LaJollaDJs 2:42 AM - 18 July, 2006

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It already has that feature LaJolla!

Cool. I look forward to checking it out when mine arrives this month....I hope!

djholla 7:54 PM - 18 July, 2006

Man, I feel you j_dim, I came to the 57 from my 909 and I reeeeally miss the effects, which I used religiously. I have yet to use the effects on the 57 while spinning because they are so user un-friendly. I just use my EFX-500 now, but the 57's effects are DOPE sounding - just impossible to use while mixing hard.

I bought a foot pedal too, hoping that a future update would allow us to control the effects with the pedal, but I still can't use it to control the effects, which really bums me out - this should be the whole purpose of the foot pedal. The 909 could even use a pedal, although there was no reason to because the effects were set up so well with the toggle switches on each channel.

sgvxcheese 3:06 AM - 19 July, 2006

ttm56 + pio efx 1000, and u strizzaiiiteee!!!!

nobspangle 7:27 AM - 19 July, 2006

I use the 57 and the EFX-500, over time I find myself using the 57 effects more and more. I also use both at the same time so I can have flanger on top of a delay (for example).

Sam 9:10 PM - 20 July, 2006

We hear what you're say guys, improved effects are coming

DJ RECKONIZE 10:18 PM - 20 July, 2006

Dang Man! Sam is right! The Mixer is new fella's! Give it a chance. If your an experienced Dj, then you will learn to work with it. It's a bad azz mixer and their is no other mixer like it.

skinnyguy 11:44 PM - 20 July, 2006

i'm just starting to customize my setup...and i'm startin to like it even more! can't wait for the updates guys! once split cue comes, i won't even have issues about the 909..

djholla 12:51 AM - 21 July, 2006

Word Sam...that's what I love about Serato - never resting with the product and constantly improving.

j_dim 11:02 PM - 21 July, 2006

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Man, I feel you j_dim, I came to the 57 from my 909 and I reeeeally miss the effects, which I used religiously. I have yet to use the effects on the 57 while spinning because they are so user un-friendly. I just use my EFX-500 now, but the 57's effects are DOPE sounding - just impossible to use while mixing hard.

I bought a foot pedal too, hoping that a future update would allow us to control the effects with the pedal, but I still can't use it to control the effects, which really bums me out - this should be the whole purpose of the foot pedal. The 909 could even use a pedal, although there was no reason to because the effects were set up so well with the toggle switches on each channel.

i just hope Serato can duplicate the Hold Echo effect, Im starting to get the hang of it but its a real challenge while trying to echo out while trick mixing (and tapping the BPM ETC), so for know im going to practice with thr 57's effects and a EFX 500, as we all wait for new effects, and hopefully the firmware update for the 57 on OSX.

skinnyguy 10:02 PM - 22 July, 2006

j dim - if you have bpm's in your id3 tag, use the bpm lock (or was it bpm track?) feature instead of tapping for bpm. you might have to assign it somewhere if you don't have a footpedal.

j_dim 3:17 AM - 28 July, 2006

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j dim - if you have bpm's in your id3 tag, use the bpm lock (or was it bpm track?) feature instead of tapping for bpm. you might have to assign it somewhere if you don't have a footpedal.

I dunno how that works yet.

still trying to figure out how to work the LP filter, doesnt seem to work.

nobspangle 6:24 AM - 28 July, 2006

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I dunno how that works yet.

Load a track with a BPM to deck 1
Go to group 2 on the mixer
set one of the buttons or joystick directions to "Track BPM" Deck 1
press the button you just mapped
go to group 6 (effects)
turn on the delay
you should see a small orange padlock on the delay section
when you adjust the speed of the track the BPM will change to match it.

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still trying to figure out how to work the LP filter, doesnt seem to work.

The filters are quite complicated, there are 3 controls + the BPM
First take the BPM out of the equation by setting the mod depth to 0.
Now turn the wet/dry to 100%
turn the resonance to a low setting
now adjusting the frequency should give you a nice manual LP filter.
To add in the BPM, lock the BPM to the track as above or tap in a BPM,
turn up the mod depth

You can also select HP and BP filters by clicking on the screen.

j_dim 8:28 PM - 10 August, 2006

the effects are much more easier to work now that I got used to it.

RiceCube 3:24 PM - 11 August, 2006

I think Pioneer's Delay effect is much more useful than the Echo effect, what do other people think? Cuz with the delay effect, you have to turn it on and then fade out at the right moments to avoid have that weird "pause" in your echo but with the Delay effect, it automatically samples the correct amount of time to echo. For me at least, it would be much more useful to have the Delay effect rather than the current Echo effect. I've never used the Echo on my EFC-500 but the Delay effect is the one I use the most.

a-swift 4:09 PM - 11 August, 2006

I'll agree the echo effect on the 57 is very tricky to get the hang of,.. even after you figure out what all the controls do.

djxatl 7:03 AM - 14 August, 2006

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I think Pioneer's Delay effect is much more useful than the Echo effect, what do other people think? Cuz with the delay effect, you have to turn it on and then fade out at the right moments to avoid have that weird "pause" in your echo but with the Delay effect, it automatically samples the correct amount of time to echo. For me at least, it would be much more useful to have the Delay effect rather than the current Echo effect. I've never used the Echo on my EFC-500 but the Delay effect is the one I use the most.

the thing i dont like about pioneer delay though, is you gotta hold it down, or lock it, which makes it more likely to accidentally have it on for your next track, but u wouldnt notice it til after the fact if your mixer is post fader effect, feel me?

RiceCube 11:36 PM - 14 August, 2006

I don't get what you're saying...you have to "turn on" or "lock" the echo effect on the 57sl (as well as efx-500) to use it right now...so what would be the difference? How do you use the echo effect without locking the effect?

djxatl 12:15 AM - 15 August, 2006

when in echo mode on the pioneer you only activate it for the portion you want to echo, when you turn off the effect the echo continues

nik39 12:35 AM - 15 August, 2006

Well you can achieve this also my putting echo to the AUX/flex/mic section, then sending the signal via flex to the AUX/flex/mic section where the effect is applied and then switching off sending the signal via flex.

Yes, it is complicated. It is just a work around.

djxatl 12:43 AM - 15 August, 2006

damn, but yeah either way as long as the effect switch is located before the actual effect is applied thats what happened, but whatever floats whoevers boat

nik39 12:47 AM - 15 August, 2006

Hm, I dont understand you...

BTW, I forgot to mention you have to put FX-cue on (G6, B6 lit) to make the previous work.

djxatl 7:00 AM - 15 August, 2006

in-----Switch------FX------out

as opposed to

in-----FX---------Switch---out

two different results, this is the difference between pioneer echo and pioneer delay

RiceCube 3:13 PM - 15 August, 2006

What the freak are you guys talking about? lol...

I just like delay cuz I don't have to worry about "recording" the right amount of beats to "echo." The delay effect automatically calculates the repeated section whereas with "echo," you have to manually record the repeated section. If you cut it off too early, your echo will have a weird pause in it. It's just another thing that I don't need to worry about so delay has been more convenient for me. I hope what I said makes sense.

nik39 4:08 PM - 15 August, 2006

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What the freak are you guys talking about? lol...

I dont know what the *other* freak is talkingabout ;))

djxatl 4:21 PM - 15 August, 2006

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What the freak are you guys talking about? lol...

I just like delay cuz I don't have to worry about "recording" the right amount of beats to "echo." The delay effect automatically calculates the repeated section whereas with "echo," you have to manually record the repeated section. If you cut it off too early, your echo will have a weird pause in it. It's just another thing that I don't need to worry about so delay has been more convenient for me. I hope what I said makes sense.

we're talking about what makes delay and echo different

nobspangle 7:59 PM - 17 August, 2006

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I think Pioneer's Delay effect is much more useful than the Echo effect, what do other people think? Cuz with the delay effect, you have to turn it on and then fade out at the right moments to avoid have that weird "pause" in your echo but with the Delay effect, it automatically samples the correct amount of time to echo. For me at least, it would be much more useful to have the Delay effect rather than the current Echo effect. I've never used the Echo on my EFC-500 but the Delay effect is the one I use the most.

Try switching on the cue for the echo effect (button 5) this gives you the same effect as the EFX-500 delay.

djxatl 8:19 PM - 17 August, 2006

haha no 57 here

j_dim 10:15 PM - 23 August, 2006

Serato Team Please ADD (Hold Echo/Delay)

This will convert alot of People to the 57

Thats The only thing holding me and alot of my DJ friends Back.

I beg you GUys

nik39 10:17 PM - 23 August, 2006

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(Hold Echo/Delay)

Wassat?

j_dim 10:25 PM - 23 August, 2006

Effect that Holds the Echo or Delay even when the Turntable has been turned off, it will keep on going as long as the Upfader stays open.

In other words its Jazzy Jeff's Favorite Effect.

He told me he can't live without it, and its the reason why he is still touring with his 909.

As soon as you get this effect, he'll totally convert to the 57.

Without that effect my TTM 57 will just collect dust at home :(

nik39 10:33 PM - 23 August, 2006

Okay, break it down for me...

As I understand it right now, you want a beat from the turntable to be echoed assuming that no signal is coming afterwards from the tt?
So lets say we have this notation:
(a1) tone a very silent, (a9)tone a very loud, (-) silence

Signal from turntable to mixer:

(a9)(b9)(c9)(d9)(e9)(f9)(g9)(h9)-----

You turn on the effect right after (g9), so thats what you would like to hear from the mixer:

(a9)(b9)(c9)(d9)(e9)(f9)(g9)(h9)(g7)(h7)(g5)(h5)(g3)(h3)(g1)(h1)------

Correct?

Konix 11:38 PM - 23 August, 2006

The hold echo on the 909 is basically like a feedback loop.

nobspangle 7:30 AM - 24 August, 2006

hold echo is basically just 100% feedback, that is coming in the next efx update.

Rebelguy 2:16 PM - 24 August, 2006

So eventhough this is a Rane 56 (the undisputed king of scratch mixers) combined with a Serato and the ability to control Serato from the mixer (something the 909 will never do) as well as having effects built into it, you are there are a lot of people that won't buy this mixer just because it doesn't have a hold echo.

capo di exmixah 4:40 PM - 29 August, 2006

The more u give me, the more I crave for... more more more!!!

It would be a pretty useful addition to be able to "hold an effect" though

capo di exmixah 4:43 PM - 29 August, 2006

Would be nice if the mixer had a stove and a wine cooler installed too... in fact u guys better add these or I'll let this bitch stay home and gather dust

boabmatic 5:46 PM - 29 August, 2006

i'd like for the effects settings to be remembered after exiting/disconnecting the mixer...

also for the effect assign PGM 1,2 and effect on/off to be assignable to the footswitch in the custom groups.

j_dim 7:13 PM - 3 September, 2006

cosign

dj KarrsiN 3:02 AM - 4 September, 2006

I think the mixer was built for serato control purposes and not efx. The efx were just a bonus, but I have to agree that if it had more effects and was more userfriendly, it would defintely be a well-rounded powerhouse mixer!

DJMark 11:34 AM - 4 September, 2006

Just having the feedback control go to 100% instead of stopping at 94% should accomplish this, unless I'm completely misunderstanding something here. I was a little curious why the range only goes that high myself.

uNo 12:37 AM - 9 September, 2006

I came from a 909 to the 57 and have gotten the hang of the echo pretty much. To me the echo on the 57 works like a combination of the echo and the delay on the 909 (if the perameters are set right). But I do agree that the 909s were much easier to implement live.

vexkon 10:31 AM - 26 September, 2006

I also moved from a 909 (after reading this thread). The reasons for this were to save space & to have have "better control" over the effects. Is there any possible way to have the EQ knobs control software affects? I don't mind the buttons & joysticks, but nothing beats a knob for realtime manipulation (i'm still talking about music don't worry).

So these future updates are WHY I bought the 57, so things like the hold/effect, step-filters, granular stuff, or anything of this sort gets me real excited. I already have an exteranl fx processor to do "normal stuff" aka chorus, flange, reverb so it would be amazing to offer FX that you couldn't find elsewhere.

Being able to chain a step-filter & a granular FX (livecut or supatrigga being excellent vst examples) would take this mixer over the top! heds wouldn't be ready for the ish we got!

scotty B 6:11 PM - 26 September, 2006

To me the ultimate mixer would be a 57sl w/ touch screen efx, and touch screen SSL control. Then be able to update the Efx and choose which effects you wanted. In a perfect world.... LOL

DJ_STEVE 5:01 AM - 29 September, 2006

All the old 909 users....... 909 w/ sl-1 or 57sl? Im trying to get the best effects out of my 3500s.

djholla 10:13 AM - 29 September, 2006

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All the old 909 users....... 909 w/ sl-1 or 57sl? Im trying to get the best effects out of my 3500s.

Old 909 user...loved it. 57...in love with it, I just don't use the effects with it. Cop an EFX-1000 or 500 with your 57 and you're set. Absolute heaven.

vexkon 1:40 PM - 12 October, 2006

i love my space = i love my 57 more than my 909+SL1. But definately still miss the FX on the 909. BUT Rane said they will add more so you gotta love the 57 right now.

scotty B 10:54 PM - 16 October, 2006

I am in love with my 909. I used a 57 and a EFX 100 the other night. I really liked that set up. I may think about that set up. The depth/mix controls of the effects on the 1000 are a lot better than the 909. until I am truely sold, it is 909/SL1 for me.

s42000 7:51 PM - 2 July, 2007

*bump*

AdamJay 2:35 AM - 3 July, 2007

bump??

might as well update the thread with the wiki that makes the fx much easier to use...
and is also in response to alot of the confusion in the middle of this thread regarding utilizing the FlexFX...

!!!blam!!! ssl-wiki.help.bootlegs.de

nik39 7:42 AM - 3 July, 2007

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bump??

might as well update the thread with the wiki that makes the fx much easier to use...
and is also in response to alot of the confusion in the middle of this thread regarding utilizing the FlexFX...

!!!blam!!! ssl-wiki.help.bootlegs.de

It is just a work around :-(

Using the EFX should not be that difficult. Having to switch groups and not being able to control the EFX from different groups than the EFX group SUXXX.

And... what the hell is going on with the footswitch? I want to be able to freaking use the footswitch to enable FlexFX send.

Dizz 1:42 PM - 4 July, 2007

Yeah footswitch for flex fx send on/off please!
Been a while and this seems like it couldnt be that difficult to implement?

Davinylslica 6:38 PM - 7 July, 2007

thank god i am not the only one. Came from the 909....LOVE THE EFFECTS.....Absolutely love the 57 mixer as a whole, but the EFX control is too cumbersome. I have foot pedals for both mixers. The 57 is just too hard to trigger while mixing a high energy set.

Also, maybe i haven't figured it out yet, but is there a way to cue the Aux In channel? I use ableton in my sets and I have to cue through the sound card with a second set of headphones. I don't know if there is a work around. I don't want to take up another channel, because i am using both turntabless while Ableton is playing the loops i created. anyone know? anyone..anyone? :)

nobspangle 6:59 PM - 7 July, 2007

The only workaround I know of for monitoring the Aux input is to cue the filter effect on the Aux input.

DJ LTIZZZLE 12:11 PM - 25 July, 2007

I agree totally. I crossed over the other day. Used it at a show last night and i'm sold all the way. GOOD JOB NIK...

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bump??

might as well update the thread with the wiki that makes the fx much easier to use...
and is also in response to alot of the confusion in the middle of this thread regarding utilizing the FlexFX...

!!!blam!!! ssl-wiki.help.bootlegs.de

Kevin aka DJ Climax 7:19 PM - 13 April, 2009

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We hear what you're say guys, improved effects are coming

Sam,

I looking to buy a new mixer to rock with my tables and was wondering how the effects have been improved on the TTM-57. After trying out the TTM-57 for the fourth time a week ago, I was a bit fursturated with, not only engaging the effects, but also with the quality of them.

I feel I'm leaning towards Pioneers 909 because of the friendliness of use but would definitely like your input on this subject.

Will there be improvements to the effects on the TTM-57?

Thank you.

ancientyouth 3:27 PM - 14 April, 2009

im fairly certain what they will change is how the effects are locked to controls within group 6, its been replied to me by a mod they are working on it....particularly for the footswitch....

Kevin aka DJ Climax 4:45 PM - 14 April, 2009

I think we are talking about two different things.

I ask more about the natural sound quality of the effects. Especially Flanger on the ttM 57 doesn't sound like those heard by Pro Tools or even Pioneer's mixers.

westell54 9:02 PM - 19 April, 2009

Well, I hope they do something with the effects too. I don't even use the effects on my 57 because it shouldn't feel like I'm mastering a track when I'm just try to echo/flange a brake stop on a track. I think they should be beat sync'd and have norrower adjustments. I've never used the Pioneer mixer often compared to on here, so the closest thing I can use as an example is the Denon CD players. They work great and don't need to be constantly tweaked all the time. They lock to the BPM of the track and they sound natural enough to be useable. I'm speaking mostly about the echo and flanger effect. I don't use the HP/LP effects so, I can't offer anything constructive on those. They should be simple enough to use on the fly but the way they are now, you have to set up the rate, volume, depth, etc... just like you were micing multiple vocalists on the fly, and only using the same 2 mics.

Maybe a bad example, but I hope some of you guys can relate...

Kevin aka DJ Climax 10:01 PM - 30 April, 2009

No thats exactly what I'm talking about.

Kevin aka DJ Climax 10:02 PM - 30 April, 2009

Whoops that should read

Ya, thats exactly what I', talking about

Eskei83 7:46 AM - 7 May, 2009

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And... what the hell is going on with the footswitch? I want to be able to freaking use the footswitch to enable FlexFX send.

i need this feature too! because my buttons are fucked up :)

westell54 6:36 AM - 8 May, 2009

Eskei83,

Caig Deoxit D5 spray. If you can't find it there, someone on here can help you. I ordered mine directly from the company but, there's lots of companies that will ship to you...

Eskei83 5:49 PM - 8 May, 2009

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Eskei83,

Caig Deoxit D5 spray. If you can't find it there, someone on here can help you. I ordered mine directly from the company but, there's lots of companies that will ship to you...

thank you for the info! I'll try it!

SiRocket 2:21 PM - 11 May, 2009

should have made the flex switches toggles, not push buttons... but i have great luck with the efx with the flexfx/aux trick... i only use delay and echo though. (top40 dj)

DJ Blend 323 6:50 PM - 14 May, 2009

Yea, the effects on the 57 are a PAIN IN THE ASS. Rane should really look @ how pioneer got it done, or something that will make the use of effects easier and faster. I dont like tweeking and what not when i doing a mix :(

nik39 5:21 PM - 26 May, 2009

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And... what the hell is going on with the footswitch? I want to be able to freaking use the footswitch to enable FlexFX send.

i need this feature too! because my buttons are fucked up :)

Eskei,

www.conrad.de < check this one out (I couldn't find any other link). Does exactly what you need. Worked for me without being expensive.

nik39 5:31 PM - 26 May, 2009

It's called "kontakt 60". More info over here...

www.farnell.com

That's the manufacturer's link (I should have posted this one in my previous post):

www.crcind.com

Eskei83 11:52 AM - 28 May, 2009

thanx!!

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