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BPMs going crazy (non serato related)

lost vegas 2:57 PM - 18 July, 2009
Ive been listening to a lot of the house mixes being posted on this forum and other sites lately and have noticed that no one seems to realize that the pitch slider goes the other direction. Its like every mix is peak hour in Ibiza...im sorry, unless your spinning progressive house or some of the harder styles of house(think of DJ Dan) the BPMs should never go over 130!!! I'm not one to tell people what to do nor am i some authority on this topic but when you play deep soulful house it just sounds a hell of a lot better at a lower BPM. I think this type of music is trying to set a certain vibe and or mood that gets lost when a 37 year old ex-raver is whipping around glo-sticks and is shirtless on the dance floor. I want hot chicks dancing, sipping cocktails and shaking there asses, not the creepy shirtless dude. Ill be the first to say that there should be no rules when it comes to djing but a bit of taste and crowd control is key... knowing the music a bit better helps. Has anyone else noticed this trend and feel even remotely the same? I know some of the hiphop guys are feeling my pain too, but with hiphop it seems like the producers are speeding up the tracks not so much the DJs. Anybody care to discuss?
DVDjHardy 3:03 PM - 18 July, 2009
I'm 100% with you on this. I hear some the radio mixers around here mix at 10% + on a consistent basis. I just ruins the sound quality and makes me cringe because its uncalled for.

I also don't feel that there should be any rules or restrictions to DJing, because its all about being creative and having fun. But nobody should play a song sped up to the point where any average listener can tell the difference from the original.
djpuma_gemini 4:39 PM - 18 July, 2009
I play mine -16% to give that southern screwed effect. Makes flo rida sound crunk.
lost vegas 5:56 PM - 18 July, 2009
DVDjhardy your spot on... And if the track has auto-tune(the vocal pitch crap) I sounds even worse!!!
lost vegas 5:34 AM - 21 July, 2009
Just listened to a new electro mix posted here and it started at 138bpm and ended at 143bpm, WTF!!! Are Djs washing down crack rocks with red bull or some shit?? Slow it down and chill ... Lol
djchrischip 12:53 PM - 21 July, 2009
lmao at the redbull n crack ....
i say on average songs can be played at +2.2. which is around 3 or 4 bpm faster.... any more than 3.8 or 4.6 % pitch adjustment is just too too much
djchrischip 12:53 PM - 21 July, 2009
however usually i always zero out songs after evry mix
ZESH! 1:57 PM - 21 July, 2009
Though illegal, DJs and/or radio execs get paid in one form or another for playing tracks in a mix set (for obvious reasons) More songs in a set...more $$.

ALL songs are sped up on radio. Even Rap and R&B, Especially in a mix show

Reason: Play more songs per hour...Makes Music execs happy and alot more $$
A company wants to adverise when the hotest songs are being played. Which is why they cram all top ten songs into a set, most of the time by increasing the speed of the track.

Sounds horrible...One of the reasons I don't listen to traditional radio much (another being that I get tired of listening to a song 20 times a day...at least.

The reason clubs do it...The DJs need to stay off that shit that their boy is sellin LoL.
lost vegas 9:13 PM - 21 July, 2009
Yo Zesh that could def explain the cracked out BPMs I've been listening to the past few weeks... I love cash just as much as the next guy but I'm not selling my BPM soul... LoL That's good shit to know Zesh, I guess thats why I don't do radio!!!
lost vegas 1:30 AM - 26 July, 2009
Here is a 55 minute techhouse/deephouse mix I did at what I feel is the right bpm(122) for the tone/mood I was trying portray, kinda like a chill vibe... wine lounge type feel. If anybody likes these songs they are on "Le Bien Et Le Mal" records out of Germany. At 16:30 is the intro to song #4... it has a strange double kick drum thing going on, its not a train weak..LOL. Any constructive feedback on the mix itself would be nice if anyone has some free time.
Track List:
1 Half It- Marlow & Comixxx
2 Primavera- Digital Report
3 P Power(Atnarko's Middle Mix)- Nonfiction
4 Cedar(Catana & Lehner Remix)- Patlac
5 Garissa(Original Mix)- Kesho
6 Anchor(Rework)- Brendon Moeller
7 My All(Hideo Kobayashi Dub)- DJ Dealer & Inaya Day
8 Oe KO- Santiago Garcia
9 T'Jazz- Philogresz
10 Everybody Loves Raymond- Terra Cotta
11 Hastings St. On a Weds- Jay Tripwire

www.zshare.net
lost vegas 1:45 AM - 26 July, 2009
Edit: wreck
Discobee 1:56 AM - 26 July, 2009
This thread remind me of the Dr Pepper commercial where Dr Dre goes, "slower is better...trust me, I'm a doctor".
lost vegas 2:02 AM - 26 July, 2009
Slower is better!!
Axialism 4:29 PM - 5 November, 2009
I think the general consensus among the electro/tech/prog/deep house and techno/minimal crowd I hang out with is keep it below 130. Generally my stuff stays between 125 and 130, for anything above I usually consider a genre change.
djchrischip 8:26 PM - 22 January, 2010
i despise djs who play on +8 or more all night not cool... most i ever leve it at is +4.6 even with key lock i notice the tempo feels faster
DJMaytag 9:01 PM - 22 January, 2010
meh.

I prefer to start slow (125-128) and mellow with house or prog-house and slowly bump it up over the course of a long night to a pretty fast tempo, finishing with trance or techno (137-140). keeps things interesting and builds tension and excitement, rather than having the same damn tempo for 4 hours.

like i used to tell a friend of mine, my grandma dances to 128bpm - pick up the pace a bit! ;-)
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:02 PM - 22 January, 2010
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Just listened to a new electro mix posted here and it started at 138bpm and ended at 143bpm, WTF!!! Are Djs washing down crack rocks with red bull or some shit?? Slow it down and chill ... Lol



to be fair most of my perferred genre is breakbeat which is pretty much entirley in the 138 to 140 range at 0 pitch
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:02 PM - 22 January, 2010
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meh.

I prefer to start slow (125-128) and mellow with house or prog-house and slowly bump it up over the course of a long night to a pretty fast tempo, finishing with trance or techno (137-140). keeps things interesting and builds tension and excitement, rather than having the same damn tempo for 4 hours.

like i used to tell a friend of mine, my grandma dances to 128bpm - pick up the pace a bit! ;-)



+1
lost vegas 9:35 PM - 22 January, 2010
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Just listened to a new electro mix posted here and it started at 138bpm and ended at 143bpm, WTF!!! Are Djs washing down crack rocks with red bull or some shit?? Slow it down and chill ... Lol



to be fair most of my perferred genre is breakbeat which is pretty much entirley in the 138 to 140 range at 0 pitch


that's the bpm range your supposed to be in! Now if you where bustin breaks out at like 150 bpm then this would aply to you but your all good:) so no red bull and crack rocks for you.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:36 PM - 22 January, 2010
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so no red bull and crack rocks for you.


stares.....slowly moves pitch to + 10 155 BPM.....
lost vegas 2:25 AM - 23 January, 2010
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meh.

I prefer to start slow (125-128) and mellow with house or prog-house and slowly bump it up over the course of a long night to a pretty fast tempo, finishing with trance or techno (137-140). keeps things interesting and builds tension and excitement, rather than having the same damn tempo for 4 hours.

like i used to tell a friend of mine, my grandma dances to 128bpm - pick up the pace a bit! ;-)


I think that way to many people think a higher bpm/tempo = more energy.... This is just not the case,I've see house djs like Muigel migs crush packed clubs at 122 bpms! There's much more to a good set than just tempo.
DJMaytag 9:20 AM - 23 January, 2010
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meh.

I prefer to start slow (125-128) and mellow with house or prog-house and slowly bump it up over the course of a long night to a pretty fast tempo, finishing with trance or techno (137-140). keeps things interesting and builds tension and excitement, rather than having the same damn tempo for 4 hours.

like i used to tell a friend of mine, my grandma dances to 128bpm - pick up the pace a bit! ;-)


I think that way to many people think a higher bpm/tempo = more energy.... This is just not the case,I've see house djs like Muigel migs crush packed clubs at 122 bpms! There's much more to a good set than just tempo.


I was speaking about higher BPM from a relative standpoint. it WILL sound more energetic going from 115 to 122 or 135-145. I'd be just as bored with 4 hours of straight 128pm as I would be with 4 hours of straight 140bpm.

also, in moving the tempo up, I'm switching genres from progressive to trance/techno, so it's a double whammy from the energy standpoint.
DVDjHardy 9:26 AM - 23 January, 2010
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I was speaking about higher BPM from a relative standpoint. it WILL sound more energetic going from 115 to 122 or 135-145. I'd be just as bored with 4 hours of straight 128pm as I would be with 4 hours of straight 140bpm.

also, in moving the tempo up, I'm switching genres from progressive to trance/techno, so it's a double whammy from the energy standpoint.


I don't think anyone is advocating that you play the same tempo all night. But if you need to go from 128 to 140 BPM, it would sound better if you didn't pitch up the 128 BPM songs up 11% to get there...there are plenty of songs in-between the two tempos to help you make the transition - without ruining a song that was meant to be played at 128 by playing it at 140 BPM.
djnak 10:57 AM - 23 January, 2010
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I don't think anyone is advocating that you play the same tempo all night. But if you need to go from 128 to 140 BPM, it would sound better if you didn't pitch up the 128 BPM songs up 11% to get there...there are plenty of songs in-between the two tempos to help you make the transition - without ruining a song that was meant to be played at 128 by playing it at 140 BPM.

what he said.......
lost vegas 11:29 AM - 23 January, 2010
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I was speaking about higher BPM from a relative standpoint. it WILL sound more energetic going from 115 to 122 or 135-145. I'd be just as bored with 4 hours of straight 128pm as I would be with 4 hours of straight 140bpm.

also, in moving the tempo up, I'm switching genres from progressive to trance/techno, so it's a double whammy from the energy standpoint.


I don't think anyone is advocating that you play the same tempo all night. But if you need to go from 128 to 140 BPM, it would sound better if you didn't pitch up the 128 BPM songs up 11% to get there...there are plenty of songs in-between the two tempos to help you make the transition - without ruining a song that was meant to be played at 128 by playing it at 140 BPM.



Thank you Hardy that's exactly what i was referring to:)
DJMaytag 6:27 PM - 23 January, 2010
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I don't think anyone is advocating that you play the same tempo all night. But if you need to go from 128 to 140 BPM, it would sound better if you didn't pitch up the 128 BPM songs up 11% to get there...there are plenty of songs in-between the two tempos to help you make the transition - without ruining a song that was meant to be played at 128 by playing it at 140 BPM.

i thought it was assumed that the process of slowly bringing the tempo up allows for a variety of different tempo'ed songs to be played at a more natural range (@ +/- 3), while still allowing for a select few tracks to be pitched up a great deal (ie i have a few 130bpm tracks that I'll bump up to 137ish without sounding bad.)

anyway, it would be pretty dumb IMHO on only own tracks @ 128bpm LOL