remixing audio is up to you - whatever you are most comfortable with. if you know how to use Vegas for audio then rock with Vegas. I personally am more comfortable with Cubase for audio and so i do any tweaks, remixes etc in Cubase, then import the wav into Vegas for when i want to sync the video to the audio

Syncing video to audio (or vice versa) is very easy with the time stretching etc features in vegas. IMO its easier to sync the video to the audio rather than the audio to the video

I have the remix done prior and then import it into vegas.

For me, I like to keep the original audio track in vegas so I am making sure I line the remix up perfectly or even an extended intro. It gets tricky when you have to stretch the video to match the remixed audio. When they are the same bpm it's much easier.

Thanks a mill guys....I guess it is the same procedure...Disappointed that Vegas does not work like Acid....the it would be easy to make crazy mixes. I thought that you could lay the tracks and beat match them in Vegas.

I must say you guys are really creative and do a wonderful job.

you can do simple 8 bar intro and stuff like that in vegas, but any serious remixing and you'll want to use an audio editor to lay down the audio final before you start on the video. a video editing program is not going to be able to give you all the right tools to be able to do a proper remix.

i work in FCP but the concept is similar to vegas. from FCP, i have very limited tools to work with audio. i have no midi drum kits to lay down a hi-hat ride if i need to for example. FCP also works in timecode on the timeline. my audio editor works in bars + beats with bpms. i've got much better time stretching algorithms for audio in my audio editor too. since remixes are rarely the same bpm as the original, this is important.

rockit however you can but most of the video remixes you are seeing, the audio part was done in an audio editor of some kind.

Vegas isn't that bad. It did start out as a multi-track audio only program so the roots are definitely there.

Vegas allows you to open the audio of a video track and edit it in an audio program. You just have to have a designated audio program. If you can get it, I'd recommend Audition for audio editing on PC.

I like Acid. Well I will check audition out. Thanks guys. i guess to time stretch the video to match the audio must be a pain.

FCP can do the same, editing the audio for a video project in soundtrack pro, logic, etc.

What can you use to make the video transitions like on PO when they do the 3 video set where they have an ambient video in the background and have the real video on screens that are moving around?

I'd like to do that shit right there.

^Powerset, forgot the name for a second.

Puma, all that stuff if likely done in AfterEffects or Motion. Using either one, it's pretty simple to make those floating moving 3D cubes with video mapped to the face of them.

In fact you could easily make a template with the dancing floating cubes and drop a video on them quickly for neat quick easy and repititive intro's to your videos.

I of course prefer final cut studio (Motion actually) for doing this.

Time to read my fcp book and see what I can find.

Template would be nice.

Nope it's SUPER SIMPLE in Vegas. Just hit CTRL and drag to fit.

Really ...hmm. Thanks.

Damn CTRL and drag to fit.

I'd be doing all this math to figure out what playback speed to put it at. Or change the time for the audio to make it match the video.

I'll have to try it.

lol

puma, that's hillarious.

FCP is super simple to stretch video as well. set in point. set out point. fit to fill. done.

Sorry, I just go on the fly, learn as you go.

Didn't know there was an easy way to do it.

How does FCP or Vegas handle mp3 tracks? When you run the compression, can you keep the original mp3 quality?

Learning a lot. Continue talking guys. Twizzle, need that Snow - informer video

yeah twizzle... we all need that snow informer video.

It's on the best of 1993 vol 3 from PO (sans watermark)

I knew that.... I was just poking fun.
I already have the PO video version.

U want his version.

Haven't seen it.

haha, I dropped that Informer video at the club in Miami and the club went crazy! VJ Elite was dancing and 4 chicks circled around him and started dancing with him. Then he came up to me and said he needed that video really bad, lol.

ha!!

it wouldn't have the same effect if I played it....

You see y I need that video....lol.

this is where i have to disagree with you puma. NORMALLY, i'll just pick up a program and learn it but when it came to video editing (which i knew ZERO about), i decided to pick up a book and learn how to do it before i started doing it.

all those little time saving techniques, and knowing how to do stuff properly, really pays off. like proper time stretching and matching lips to a remixed audio. you've probably been spending more time doing this than you need to.

i highly recommend a book.

Yes Pauly. You keep the original MP3 quailty because it is converted to AIFF or WAV before you start the edit. However, when you compress the video you will lose a generation of quality when it is converted to AAC, but on the other hand, AAC is such higher quality than MP3, you will not lose any *noticeable* quality.

if VSL supported VOB, we would lose NO quality at all since we could mux the AIFF or WAV in tact as uncompressed PCM audio in the MPEG2 directly. but sigh ... it doesn't.

I got a book for FCP, but I use vegas and haven't transitioned over yet to FCP

Thanks A-swift, you have been a wealth of knowledge.

I haven't transitioned to FCP yet either, does anyone here just use the FCP express for video edits? I don't want full blown, just match up some videos with audio.

I use FCE and it's fantastic for quickly matching up video to audio. If you've used Vegas it's pretty touchy and lame when it comes to changing speed for video. FC is really simple. I would swear by it if I still wasn't more than a novice.

But i feel pretty confidant in it.

Tripp

Weird as my friends that use FCE swear Vegas is easier and great to use when stretching video to audio or vice versa. I haven't run into these problems you mentioned.

I just bought FCE for about $299 about a week ago. I also signed up for one on one training with the Apple store. Had my first training this past Saturday and went over pretty well. They just showed me the basics so far. But theirs lots to learn and plenty of effects and different things you can do. I'm very anxious to Master this and start doing some more advance video edits. I been using Imovie for basic intro and outros for my vidz. I did a couple of Mash-up vidz on Imoive that came out o.k. I just seen the New Imovie09 and it looks pretty Kick Azz. I'm wondering if anybody else has used Imovie to do any of their video edits. If anybody wants to check them out. Let me know. I'll post a couple for ya

As far as i know, you can't stretch video in imovie. which means you cant do a whole lot with it for video edits and remixes.

as far as vegas vs. fcp for strretching, it's definitely easier to just drag to stretch in vegas, but setting precise markers to stretch to in fcp works well too. plus it's more exact, just takes a few seconds more.

We should have a vegas and/or fcp tips hints and tricks thread.

I could definitely use that shit.

Like how do you make the video essentially strobe to the beat like niros did for the love lockdown lmfao remix?

That's what I asked to. I guess people just actually cut it on their own.

puma is asking about something different than you were. you asked about flashing back and forth quickly between tracks.

Oh. Right. Well, it's basically the same thing - you just don't have a backing track. If you want it strobing in black to the beat, you'd just cut it on the actual beat - look at the waveform (HAH!) in Vegas and go from there.

this is really easy to do in final cut studio. final cut studio includes motion which can have audio driving any effect parameter. my guess is Niros used something like a "lightrays" effect which may or may not be included in final cut. either way, you just load the clip in motion, apply the effect, and the effect amount paramter, tie that to the audio so as the audio level goes up, the effect is applied more. you can also limit the audio to only be driven by low freqs (bass), so the effect pulsates with the music.

i don't think you can do that in vegas.

Ill have to test that out tonight as well as some fcp work.

Thanks swift.

It would be nice if I could get some tips and tricks on FCE. it would be great to get a thread or something going. I'm working on a Video Edit right now that I could use some help on. If their is anybody on here who can me master this thing! I would greatly appreciate it. I know Imovie you are very limited to what you can do with it, but here is a few that I have done with Imovie. Not sure what you mean by "strretching" but I like the set up of Imovie and how easy it is to cut, paste, and trim your audio and Video. Makes it very easy to link up the video with the audio.



Pop Champagne In Da Club-DJRayRay Extend Mash-up
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Heartless Party Intro
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Billie Jeans Love Lockdown - DJRayRay Video Mash.mp4
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I am no master by no means. But a grabbed a book from Barnes & Noble and learned a lot. Actually everything i know is from that or what i have learned from the guys on here. And take Swift's word for it, Motion is the Bomb for these types of effects.

Really, I can't comprehend why people just don't buy a book. Everything I needed to learn about FCP, I learned in a day with a book. Hell, the first chapter and I was doing video edits. I see people fumbling through trying to figure out on their own and asking questions on forums, and doing things just wrong. This doesn't make any sense to me.

djray, since I am trying to figure out why people do this, maybe you can answer for me.

and by "stretching", i mean, if you do a video edit where the audio file is faster or slower than the original video, you'll probably need to stretch the video to fit the audio. i don't think you can do this in imovie, but I could be wrong.

Yeah man books are great. All my knowledge in web design, photoshop, video graphics, 3d.....All from books. They arent super cheap, but not unaffordable. I have a stockpile. And i am always referencing back to them.

now this makes sense to me.

Well a swift. I just bought a training guide book about a week ago. I only had FCE for 2 weeks now. I'm only on chapter 7. Just thought it would be nice to have a thread with tips and tricks just like we have with serato. I'm sure their is tons of things that you can do with FCE or easier ways to do something then the book would suggest.

Ray dont want to come off wrong by no means but the apple support site has a discussion board that has some serios pros on it, that are also real quick that check new posts.

discussions.apple.com

discussions.apple.com

It's all good bro. I'm new to all of this. But thanks, this will defiantly come in handy. Good looking out mizu. Appreciate it.