Hey,

I'm listening through the Geto Boys Discog right now.

I would say this is real Hip Hop even though I don't like every song.

Personally I love old school NY HH as my favorite. West Coast dudes cursed more and that is about it, lyric wise. The sound is different. G-Funk was beautiful sound-wise, but the lyrics were easier.

I ain't down with the Southern Revolution. I think it is overproduced and the lyrics lack substance.

I'm a Classical music student, so I am partial. But let's talk about Hip Hop.

Ummm. Geto Boys are OG southern rap...

Well Honestly Everyone lagged behind NY when Hip-Hop started, because NYC is the Birth Place of Hip-Hop so looking back I can understand how earlier on West Coast Rap wasn't as good as NY or east coast rap, but being born and raised in Queens, I'll never forget when My Older brother moved out west and introduced me to Ice-T Too Short NWA MC Eight... those cats were hot, and honestly The West saved Hip-Hop for many years and they were running shit hands down at one point.

I think the west coast was way more than just cursing in my Opinion, We had PE and they had NWA and they were talking about the same shit in two different ways, and between them grabbed the ears of a whole lot more people than if either squad did it on they own (then Cube got down with Chuck and it was a rap!...but that's another story)

To me personally I did like the earlier Souther Hip-Hop better than what's out now, but honestly again a lot of cats in the south ain't have shit to do back in the days but fuck get high and drink Sweet Tea on the porch, so I can understand that all they're songs are about Fuckin and Gettin high and drinkin Patron. I might not like it, but they ain't makin it for me anyway. The one thing about the south though is that they realized that there was power in numbers and Southerners unlike Northerners are Highly Loyal. They also had an untapped Market that was being ignored, so you got the whole south that just wanted to hear shit that they can relate to. Same way I want to Hear Ghostface and MOP cause that's what I relate too. What I don't like though are the radio stations controlling the Genre the way they do. I don't want anyone to dictate to me what they think "I" should think is hot.

HIP-HOP:
East Coast created it
West Coast saved it
The South is killing it :(

actually, hip hop was created by Jamaicans in NY. not native East Coasters.

Where was Kool Herc when he dropped his Needles...The Bronx. No one from NY can really call themselves "Native NYer's" Either you or your fam..especially back then came from the south or another country. And Not everyone was a Jamaican Puerto Rocks and White Boys were Big into Breakin and Graph.

i THINK the south already killed it.

Yes, he was in the Bronx, but where was he born and raised?

Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa are both of West Indies decent.

Kool Herc came to the Bronx in 1967 when he was 12. How old is he now? You tell me where he grew up.

<runs and hides>

Seing that the first 12 years of his life were in Jamaica, he's Jamaican.

Shit I'm from th west indies decent, but that don't take away from the fact that New Yorkers in New York created Hip-Hop. If you tryin to say that Jamaicans started hip hop how come they didn't? They made Reggae They made Dancehall but Hip-Hop although influenced by it is not the same. C'mon man don't even go there. I'm trini and us West Indians talk about our Islands all day long but where does bwi and Air Jamaica take us when we come to the US???? NEW YORK

and yes I know it goes to MIA but you get my point LOL

Not to mention in the 90's there were more Jamaicans in the US than in Jamaica and the numbers may still be close, that's why Jamaican's can't get amnesty but the west of the carribean can

^^LMAO>...Jamacians in New York. they were not New Yorkers. they werent born in New York, or the states for that matter. SO how can the be New Yorkers?

Air Jamacia also flys into Atlanta,Miami, Chicago, Baltimore, Ft Lauderdale , Orlando, Philly and New Jersey.....

New York is the Melting Pot of the United States We come from all over the place, and what I was trying to say was back in the days Air Jamaica Only went to NY. Homie you can believe what you want, but ask Herc himself and see what he says. Hip-Hop culture had more to do with the stars, it had everything to do with the listeners if they ain't like it We would still be listening to Genesis and Phil Collins.

Too bad NY can't save what it created.

To be honest the south didn't kill hip hop. NY did when they started trying to copy the south instead of teaching and grooming these cats.


To quote Cam'rom 'When the fuck we start bouncing?'

Rapper's Delight FTW!

Hip hop started out in the park/ Man, I knew it was going down from the start- Joell ortiz


The only thing wrong with hip-hop today is BALANCE! there isn't any...but I don't care, because all I need is my mp3 player and a decent pair of headphones and I'm in my own world till it's time to go to bed.

I love hip hop with a jazzy sound.

Kero One ... dig and listen.

If you like that check out Dela-Changes of Atmosphere.

Have you guys heard the jazz version of hip-hop songs??

I think it called lounge cafe or somethin like that...

They have the jazz version of bonita applebum, lauryn hill, and a whole laoota songs. It is a grat cd..I'm gonna go diggin for it..hahahah

Universal Mind Control drops next week!

^^

the common song?

The Whole Album. lol

I thought it was called invincible summer!! nice!! I'm coppin that for my lil bro birthday!!

white people killed hip hop

Yikes thats gonna start a riot...lol

but really it was women that killed rap music

Nah, It was te wanna be thugs that killed the music. Women always got down with hip-hop

Puffy Put the Dagger in the heart of Hip-Hop. Souljah Boy pulled it out. If you know anything about knife wounds, you NEVER pull the knife out (at least until you're in the ER) Pulling the knife out makes the victim Bleed more.

puffy always gets a bad rep for killing hip hop... ahem, craig mack? Mary J Blige, ready to die? He upped his game, by expanding out of hip hop. Don't hate

To be honest I never thought puffy was that bad to hip hop even at the time. I didn't like that whole shiny suit shit but it wasn't unlistenable.

I think what was bad was that when people who were new to hip hop saw the shiny suit rnb rap that Puff is known for they kind of took that as gospel and continued to push that element as opposed to the other elements that made up Bad Boy. Bad Boy, had G Dep, 112, Mase, Craig Mack, Biggie etc etc. They had a pretty solid stable at the time and by today's standards.

Yeah then Big Got killed and he put out that Puff Daddy and the family crap. Puff can't rap and doesn't claim to be a rapper. With that said by him still rapping he helped kill the artform. Other rappers and wanna be rappers took that and ran the wrong way with it. After Puff it was ok if you didn't have skills as long as you got paid.

Agreed. I don't think Puffy killed it. Just people took his formula and watered it down even more.

Not to mention Puff has never succesfully managed any ones career. Big Got Killed Mack got dropped Mary had to get Suge to help her out her contract (She had to get faith to teach her how to sing too) The Lox bounced on him. He made Da Band get cheese cake, Dylon found out he couldn't rap or do the dancehall thing, Day 26 is nobody whatever happened to the rock band and the pop group he had. What happened to that group Dream. Now don't get me wrong, outside of music I think Puffy is doing his thing, but as far as a label, he only puts out one album per artist. When was the last time you heard Carl Thomas? Now my favorite puff Joint was Special Delivery. Ghost killed it on that.

Never really thought of it like that.

And as for DAY 26 are they not that big in the states? I really like the album and In My Bed is a pretty big tune over here.

But back to what you said the only thing I can say is that I imagine alot of those artists aren't as hard working as he is. Puffy seems like a proper grafter and I can imagine he'd be proper annoying as your boss. Someone that if you had the right attitude you could learn alot from if you wanted to.

I agree with this.

NWA really ushered in the death of hip hop.

Tufake and Biggie put the nail in the coffin.

See I don't think NWA or Big and Pac killed Hip-Hop. MC Ren and Cube were two of the best Emcees out back then. I still love Ren. (I heard he got a new album out) Biggie single handedly brought Hip-Hop back to the East, and If he didn't die Jay Z would be a Fabolous. Someone who is hot, but not a top 5 emcee.

Now I do have my issues about Pac. Even Ice T called him out. I used to like Pac, but when he got up with Suge he changed. Suge used him. Ice T talked about how all the Emcee's from the street would talk about stuff they did and be like don't do it. He said Pac would rap about it and then do it. When he was alive he was a thug, now that he's dead, he's supposed to be all about peace. Not to mention that as the son of a Black Panther and the nephew of Assata Shakur, he had a bigger purpose in life, but never lived up to it. Pac was supposed to be a prophet, but got caught up by the Devil (Suge)

i'm not denying their talent.. or saying that they werent some of the greatest rappers of all time but unfortunately the fact that they felt compelled to create this bullshit fake persona of being gangsters (pac and big) helped lead the way for UNTALENTED thugs to try to do the same thing.

-"After completing his second year at Paul Laurence Dunbar High School he transferred to the Baltimore School for the Arts, where he studied acting, poetry, jazz, and ballet. He performed in Shakespeare plays, and in the role of the Mouse King in The Nutcracker"

-"In June 1988, Shakur and his family moved once again, this time to Marin City, California, where he attended Tamalpais High School. He joined the Ensemble Theater Company (ETC) to pursue his career in entertainment."

-"His first starring role was in the movie Juice. In this story, he played the character Bishop, a trigger happy teen, for which he was hailed by Rolling Stone's Peter Travers as "the film's most magnetic figure."[74] He went on to star with Janet Jackson in Poetic Justice and with Marlon Wayans in Above the Rim. After his death, three of Shakur's completed films, Bullet, Gridlock'd and Gang Related, were posthumously released."

-"Near the end of his life, Shakur founded a movie development company called Euphanasia.[76] He wore the company chain (a silver chain with a medallion depicting the Black Angel of Death) on September 4, 1996, during the 1996 MTV Video Music Awards."

dude was a pretty good actor

I do give my props and respect to Pac though. I just feel dissapointed in him, If he were still alive I think things may have been different. Rumor is that he was gonna squash his beef with Big

I forgot who said this but some notable somebody was saying the last great hope for hip hop was Pharcyde (circa '95) because they actually showed that there was much more to hip hop than the gangster persona/bling/etc.. and that hip hop was truely an open artform of expression.

So much for that.

You think? Over Mos Def and Eminem? etc etc.

Interesting though. It did take me a minute to think of someone since they dropped who was a bit more than spit about the hood and nice with it.

I don't know. I love Pharcyde and wish they were still making music, but what about groups like J-5, Roots, etc. Common is still putting out great hip hop (IMO) that is also club/radio friendly. Good hip-hop is not likely to die anytime soon, we just may never hear it on the radio again.

Mos Def can be oversimplified to just psuedo-political/message rapping..

Eminem is either doing his attack raps, party songs, or nonsensical ramblings about drugs.

Pharcyde actually rapped about how dope they WEREN'T. lol

All great acts.

The point was just that at the time of the mid 90's when hip hop was getting caught up in the gangster rap thing.. Pharcyde opened up a new path in hip hop for artists.. But very few took it and the general public didn't buy it.

Don't you think the RZA had a big hand in bringing the focus of HH back east after the G-Funk era? I can see why you'd say Puffy, but I think RZA is one of the most brilliant producers.

It's true about those gangsta dudes being good actors.

I forget how many people get shot on Straight Outta Compton. I remember Ice Cube rolls into a party and unloads a shotgun lol.

Kali...Yeah you definitely gotta give Props to the WU They not only Brought it back to the East but Put SI on the map. I wish they ego's ain't get so damn big but with 12 members in a crew, it was bound to happen

lol, i wish wutang were still doin their thing as a group. But in reality, RZA created AN destroyed Wutang. RZA single handedly was the demise of wutang. And Im talking strictly management, not his production