Hmmm


Screenshots are on a Mac... are you sure you mean ASIO?

AFAIK the same ASIO channel cannot be used by multiple applications at the same time (not on the PC).

I many have labeled the the device incorrectly as an ASIO Device (but I don't know what else one would call it, and in all documentation of all the said items: VCI-300, Connectiv, and Zero 4 are referenced as ASIO devices)..

However I am using Itch and Ableton at the same time.. (Sending the output of both to the same channel..) as I have done in the past with the Connectiv and Zero 4...

As per doing this on a PC I have not tried that yet...
But that does not change the fact that it does work, (at least on a mac)

Unless it is actually a "Core Audio" Device and not an ASIO device when used on a mac..
I did not know there was really a difference, but maybe there is..

I am not a Mac expert, but I think you are referring to Core Audio devices ;-) ASIO channels are bound to one application AFAIK. Since PC's don't have Core Audio unfortunately.. I doubt that this will work on PC's. :-(

I agree a Rewire out would be awesome and a great way to get all the needed FX from other programs and even have loops and what not.. It would make Itch complete...just need anonther cool midi controller for Live.

VCM-600 ;-)

hmm I think I see what they are getting at... but effects should also be possible right?

Nice work DJ MDX.

The way we connect to the soundcard in the VCI-300 allows this on the Mac, but unfortunately doesn't on the PC. It's just a function of what the OS gives us on each system, and not a deliberate design decision on our behalf.

Is this a useful function on the Mac? How many of you would think you'd use this?

Would you upset if we took this ability away, but decreased the latency, for example? (Not that anything like this is planned at the moment, but I'd like to get a feel for which is more important to you)

Cheers,
Edouard.

ha
stop stealing our gold!
I haven't played around with that function yet but If I find a serious way to exploit it I would definately use it
I will try it out this weekend
peace!

As it stands now I can only use ableton with itch as a sample bank to launch samples and drops, (not to really effectively create them)

Edouard,

The only reason I found this as mentioned is I have been doing this all along with other devices (M-Audio Connectiv and Korg Zero 4)

MDX and I have spoke about this for months at great lengths.. (Well actually I spoke at great lengths and MDX did a lot of... Hu Huh's LOL)

But ultimately what I would like to see is a ableton sidechain from itch, where as I could send each channel of itch to a channel of ableton independently.. Then I would be able to use all the effects of ableton with itch and grab it on the master return..

If this put into effect then down the road, (between the Ableton/Serato partnership) a midi clock could be added to itch dictated by the a master tempo, dictated by either or both decks to actually sync ableton to itch..
Much like what will be able when M-Audio releases the 1.5 version of Torq.

How long have we been talking about this in one way or another...

We try very hard at Pro DJ Forums to bring real talk for all DJ's and this is just another example. If what we do helps one DJ do his job better, more efficient, or brings something new to them that they would have other wise not known about, then we have accomplished what we have set out to do.



I think it is still early in the game and just discovered. We think this is a great alternative in the mean time and has more potential than what we have had time to test yet.

I think at this point I like the idea of being able to launch sample banks this way. I think I would rather be patient and see if you can decrease latency and still keep this as an option for Mac users.

What everyone is asking for are mainly two things in ITCH.

1) Effects
2)Sampler/Sample Banks

Well we have found a solution for Sample Banks (for Mac users at least) and unless you guys have plans to add this in, please don't take it away from us prematurely.

I think a side chain as Jayo has explained would be a great idea and you guys would have a killer combo smashing the competition.

You don't know how many guys approach me, call me, chat me in the chat room on Club Megamix Radio that they are selling equipment or supplementing it with a VCI-300!

You guys have a winner on your hands - please really concentrate on bringing to it what it is missing and as I said it will be unstoppable.

I vote for lower latency, definitly. Also... I think the functions of SSL/ITCH should be the same on both OS'es.

I vote for keeping the options! ITCH is very limited with the FX options, which is a major drawback for a lot of users. So if you can extend the possibilities by creative use of the OS thats good! Latency is pretty low anyway on OSX, even on a standard sound device...

I just read the "Would you upset if we took this ability away, but decreased the latency, for example?" question again, and in my mind I do not know how one is related to the other.

I do not think the ability is there for Serato to "take away", this is a hardware question not software.
Unless Serato got vestax to do some sort of Firmware update to the VCI to some how dongle it only to Itch. (which would be lame)
But as mentioned the latency is pretty low anyway.. It should be up to the user if they want to run other apps with the potential to jeopardize their projected latency.. (I say projected because I have seen many cry latency but either A) not have a PC or Mac powerful enough to ever achieve this, or B) not take the care in keeping there pc/Mac clean to ever achieve this.)

Nik39 I agree the functions should be the same. But attempting to take "native" functions away just because of the Windows Asio limitation, is kinda unfair.. It is not Apple's fault that Window's ASIO is limited.

I would have thought it would have been better if Vestax made a Booth monitor volume and this would go out of the 1/4 outs only and this also could act as an effects send and return could be the aux in..

Yes, I also vote for lower latency!

I have a question.

Who is having issues with latency now and what specifically is the issue?

Also is latency really related how the OS interprets this and how does triggering a sample bank add any additional latency to ITCH if any? I just don't see that happening.

And, realistically, will lowering the latency cause increased CPU processing and if so will minimum spec'd computers be able to take advantage of this or do you need the newest fully spec'd out computer to achieve the lower latency's?

I have more questions/suggestions but I will wait for these answers 1st.

Oh, and BTW - If a vote is really needed - I vote let me keep what we have discovered - offer me a choice.

If an update means I will lose this function and the gain is minimal for the trade off - I will not be updating.

This is DJ MDX and I approve this post.....lol

The latency esp on a PC is noticeably higher than when using SSL.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

We don't have any plans right now to change the way things work, and it's cool that, on the Mac, you can use another program like Ableton to enhance the performance possibilities of ITCH.

Cheers,
Edouard.

If Itch had some Rewire or way to connect to a program like Ableton Live, this would give the best of effects and audio looping,etc. One could buy a midi controller and map it to Live and use with Itch or SSL.. and those who do not like effects, can not bother.

Rewire.... NO... No we do not want rewire.. Because then Itch would slave to Ableton, thus you would loose your platter control. Torq already does this with ableton (and in my opinion it makes it a rather pointless feature)

All Itch would need is to send a midi clock that ableton can slave to.. Much like what I can currently do with my zero 4 mixer, and what Torq 1.5 will be doing when version 1.5 is released.

But as I have already mentioned that will be a great improvement but this by itself will not let you use ableton's effects on music played in Itch. In order to do this Serato would have to allow the internal I/O routing of itch to be opened up. So then we could patch the audio playing on each channel individually to a channel in ableton then send it back. Thus making ableton a sidechain.

Jayo, I agree with you here.

Here it is in action:

Watchwww.youtube.com

is anybody using the nanopad for this...i got it but i have a little delay on the sample...and also i can not cotrol the volume from it...unless some one figure out how to do it from the nanopad. thanx guys

Sorry for the late reply - but yes, I use the nanoPad

i would also like to know what the problem is with latency? i run a 2ghz mac with 2gb ram (fairly low spec as far as current laptops go) and i have no problems running at 1 setting in latency... with maximum screen redraw.

You cant adjust the volume with the nanoPad - it does not have a slider unless you want to try to figure out the X-Y pad for that.

Use the Master or Ch volume control in Ableton to set each sample at the desired volume - mine are set to default and are fine but you may need to compensate for some tracks.

Latency - I do not experience any latency at all with mine - you might want to check your settings within Ableton - that could be causing your latency issues.

i have a nanoKontrol maybe i should give this a go

@ MDX ... you also know that this could be very tricky ...

It works great with the nanoKontrol that is what I had before the nanoPad but I needed larger trigger buttons

I am not sure what you are referring to - could you please elaborate?

If you would like to see this in action for drops and get a few laughs on me - check me out on my show tomorrow - see my profile for all the details.