Oh lord.

NO!!!!!!

hehe...i know....

just 4 gigs,, with say....no monitor......


emergency mode..

that damn virtural dj , puts the shit on in like 2 seconds and holds it there...it just aint right...

i agree with both of you.........but its cool in a pinch

+1

Do not put this in... If you want something like VIRTURAL DJ... use VIRTURAL DJ

wow... can't even believe someone would think this would be a good idea....

Tappy, tap, tap. Tap 2 da beat!

cmon, why do you have several threads of your own running with this suggestion, while there at least 50 other threads with the same suggestion, and a thousand posts discussing it, why??

+1

+1 Hell No

do not put any auto anything for those microwave dijs out there there are outer out da box "dj" software/gear out there fore you

Now why the hell you would you want to do that? its not like we don't have enought wanna be DJ's, Why make it easier for them? I don't know about you guys but i have worked hard to be where im at and to be replaced by a virtual DJ DJ would really piss me off.

I have a cousin that just started djaying about two years ago...and he sends me all these mashups that he does..they sound so good...the catch is he makes them all with Virtual DJ...God forbid he actually had to beatmatch himself and do it. I don't respect that I agree with AfterShok...hard work and practice is what got me here why should we make it easier for these wanna be's? You ask him to do the same mashup for you with two tables (CDJ or Turntables and he can't)

First I want to make clear that I want to react on this, in a decent way, and hope that everyone will read it this this way, and react decently...

I just want to share my thought with the people that are against autobeatmatching,
Maybe you don't have to consider this feature as a threat but as an extra asset.
I just want to say: "Try to think out of the box. "
You already use a PC or a Mac instead of real vinyl. So you are already that far...
Now combine your art of mastering vinyl with technology... you'll be amazed what new area's you will discover... And I think I'm in the position to make such a statement.

Here it goes:
i Dj on proffesional basis for more then 14 years now, every single weekend...
I started with vinyl, a few years later on CD's because of much more handy for transport. I can still remember the time that there where people standing in front of me with a T-Shirt saying "real DJ's use Vinyl".
Well, Currently every top DJ uses Cd players...

This year I started with PC Dj'ing, because i never believed in it before, because of stability reasons.... (I hate it when technology fails, and computersoftware does fail....)
Now anyway, I don't like to get behind in technology either, so I made the descision to explore the possibilities of PC driven systems, because I make a living out of it.
I couldn't really choose between SSL and VV. so i was lucky to buy both systems cheaply: Serato with CDJ400 and Virutal Vinyl with ICDX.

Both systems have Pro's and Cons:
VV does auto beatmatch, and actually I like it..
I even like it a lot, because now I can focus on FX, Loops and realtime remixing.*
It's just Amazing what remixes you can produce on the fly...
"Btw: I can beatmatch pretty good for those who find this so unbelievable important"

Serato is (a bit) better imho when it comes to stability and traditional DJ'ing (and also sound, the rane sound card performs really good), combined with CDJ400 it makes just a great combination...

So i like this combination more instead of VV, but only for the stability and "feel".
But compared to the VV system, serato is a dinosaur when it comes to features...
Once you get used to that bunch of possibilities you'll notice that this behaviour of the "NO"-people limits the creativity of .... yourself, and more important you limit the expasion and development of the software itself... (the competitors aren't sleeping, you know...)

I don't fully understand the "NO"-people because there are beatmatching windows in serato, and visual aids to get your beatmatch right... There is no reaction on that?
If you "no"-people are against autobeatmatching, then I suggest to get rid of those visual aids either... Because real beatmatchers just need a headphone, and a pitch slider. (at least I do)

Another thing: Even with auto beatmatch functions...You don't have to be afraid of those wannabe's... If you're a good Dj, you will always be better then those wannabees... because you have skill and the wannabees don't.. That will always make the difference...
Ten years ago i was also afraid that CD players came out with BPM display, and Visual aids on mixers.. Conclusion is: Those wannabees cannot even mix correctly with these aids.... just to illustrate that you don't need to be afraid.
It's not because you buy a racecar, that you automatically become a great race pilot...

If the "NO" people keep on resisting, you will create the fact that wannabees will use autobeatmatch software, and serato will not have that function, so the fight against wannabees is not fair... The crowd does not care how you do it, they're just interested in the result... keep that in mind.

So if you ask me:
Go ahead with such funtions. And the more features there are, the better it is...it will improve everyones creativity, and it will prevent that there will be a big DJ community that changes from serato, because all the competitors have autobeatmatch and plenty of more features...
it will keep Serato SSL alive against the competitors aswel.
And after all: when it comes to autobeatmatch, you're not obliged to use it, do you?

Well, This is my honest opinion about it... Hope this is appreciated...

Wohoooho.. haha.



There is.



I see.



So what? Didn't you just say "because you have skill and the wannabees don't.. That will always make the difference"?



Those people who will switch b/c SSL does not have autobeatmatch... uhm... who cares? Use ITCH if you need autobeatmatch. ITCH does not need vinyl. Not even CDs. We both know both are ancient and only dinosaurs use them ;)



Sure, but expect others to voice and express their honest opinion as well :)

I dont have a problem with beat matching in other products. I might even use said products, like ITCH. But I dont want it in SSL.
SSL is a Formula 1 race car, you dont need an auto parking system in it.

Serato will do plenty of beat matching crap in the future, just not in SSL (me hopes)

Awesome :)

Beatmatching for a dj is like putting a 6 year old in a walker does it make any sense? The kid knows how to walk why the F*ck is he in a walker?????

Honestly: It really happened... hihihi...
Anyway, I forgot to use the word "Also" in the sentence that top Dj uses CD players.




I also said that the function must be considered as an asset, by which i mean it expands possibilities for the skilled DJ's amoungst us...



Yeah, I'm getting old I guess... :-D



I do not have a single problem with anyones opinion... as long as it's written in a decent and respectfull way.
Don't get me wrong... Personally I don't mind if the function is there or not, or ever will be implemented or not... I'm only "open minded" to it.





Yup, and it's a pretty fast one too... ;-)

This is a horrible idea! I agree that there are already too many wanna be Dj's! That will just take the fun and the money out of the pockets of the Dj's that know what they are doing and have perfected their own art! Hands down a NO!

Hallelujah !

It's funny how unreceptive so many DJ's are to new products. It almost makes us look ignorant to perfection, or at least it makes us ignorant to improvements. Having any extra features (Not just talking about auto sync) is only "modern" ways to move on with what we've been doing and mastering for years and years on and this time, this technology is actually there to move on to more things... "New Things!" You do not become the best DJ {Only} because you can sync either, remember that. It takes creativity. And what best way to be creative than to make something more than just having a perfect natural sync. Instead That scary word for so many called {Technology} will assist you in making endless possibilities. I remember back in the days I was using Final Scratch when this new idea came out and I bought Tractor 3 to tag along. Since then I have wished that serato would even come near with what Native Instrument was able to achieve. I believe in the Rane team, but I also understand marketing, and with all these nazi like anti-evolution DJ's out there, it must be hard for them to introduce new technology.
Bottom line is, if you are a great DJ, it doesn't matter how you get it done, the importance is how good the end result is.
Technology will help you in creating new ideas and styles. It's time we get out and explore the world, let's not all stay in our little bubble.

Then again, I produce as well, so I have understood the idea that technology is there to stay on top and be better than the people that are too slow to get it. Big name DJ's out there who also produce, they don't produce by recording themself on a little ghettoblaster while playing a guitar or hitting some drums.

In my opinion, If you are afraid of innovation and if you are afraid to be diferent then, simply don't use sync <Or any other technology for that matter> just keep things basic and figure out your way. But I think it's only fair for other, more open minded artist, to have full access to new technologies.

DJ-Fred,
You write what I think...
The so called wannabe Dj's will always be around. And they will use technology. And if Serato will not provide it, then they will choose other programs. But I believe that's totaly besides the question here...

It's all about creativity, and new features create new possibilities...
Watch out for the new Native Instruments Traktor Scratch Pro software next month;
It's got it all,
Sync tools, Loop features, Loads of Cue's, and greatsounding FX's if you ask me
(I watched all the video's)
It's also supported by big DJ names.
Even an old fart as Grandmaster Flash supports it... He's old enough to put in a wheelchair,
but hey, he's also open to new technology, with his old skills, because he sees the use of it, and that's the bottom line here...

it is not only the beatmatch that does a dj...
and beatmatching you can learn in 1 day or 2.
i don t need it .. but would be great as part of a midi mapping that serato hasnt got . sync button + assignable wavform you can work with your laptop and a proper midicontroller..
please.. understand that nor every djs boths are great. and i ve found lots of terrible dj boths. in europe you can t imagine how many don t have turntables anymore.. and you have to work with cdjs wich i am not use too.

It is just silly to claim that any user of SSL is scared of 'technology' -we wouldnt be to scared to use SSL in the first place (or any equipment, tap on some drums)

nazi like? and close minded? cmon fellas

the resistance to this feature (at least from me as well as others) is not has nothing to do with being afraid of the future or scared of competing with less skilled DJs.

what it is about is the direction of SSL, and the focus on what its prime function is. That being vinyl emulation with stability being the priority. Developing auto-sync will take away focus from the prime focus and development on more needed functions.

Auto-sync, multiple tracks, internal fx, and such features deserve proper exploration in OTHER programs built with that focus. Trying to bend SSL in that direction would be a waste and a backward fix, trying to get it to do what it wasnt originally meant to do.

Those things belong in ITCH, or whatever Serato/Ableton is teaming for, but not in SSL.

It would be a mistake to take away from SSLs specialization and try to get to be all things for all DJs, thats not how it took market share.

And yes, I make beats.

I could care less if there is an auto sync function in ssl or not. But to the haters I ask how is it different than bpm scan, auto gain, instant doubles, transifier, auto loop easter egg, ect. All of these are functions that would never be present if not for djing software.

Take auto gain for instance. Any dj must get the sound levels right just as much as he must get the beats on top of each other. Most of the time, auto gain does this perfectly for you. Sure it takes some fine tuning of the eqs but more or less it doesnt take much thought any more. Im sure everyone here uses it but I dont see any purists complaining.

Because first, the program NEEDs to build overviews. While this is happening it is not too difficult to to detect a setting for equal loudness and set the volume. Probably there is no change to the fundamentals of the way the program operates.

But, pressing a button to force one track to change speeds and somehow sync to some sort of sync points in both tracks is quite a different animal. AND if it were going to be done with efficiency, and probably more accuracy you would actually design the whole program in a completely different way. That would be having a master tempo that both tracks sync to, otherwise its messy bloated and not what it was originally designed to accomplish.

There are other programs designed to operate this way, SSL was not.

Is this making sense?

If you build a race car, yes you can get it haul shit with a trailer. But why not get a truck that was designed to do the job from the start?

understand, auto syncing tracks work way better with a master tempo. this is fundamentally different from the way SSL actually works.

JMHO of course

i sure do understand your point of view. understandable...
i just was asking for that , specially a midi assignable waveform because it would take my way of djaying to another label.
cheers

I should have asked: what is a midi assignable wave form?

in traktor you can midi assign the wave.this mean you can scrool/scratch /scrub with a knob. it s usefull if you want to assign it with a well/knob too to search in the wave as you do in cdj s or with the vinyl.

ah, see I think thats what itch
have you checked it out?

yes , but i think itch it is a bit limited? compared even to ssl?
cueing/loops/?
and as he got other compatible pre midi controllers? like xone/faderfox/xp10?
i don t think so.

itch can run your SSL library including loops/cue
get an itch controller in the first place

The reason I would like to have more features like all the above mentioned ones, and not on Itch, is because I like my current mixer and I use my own CDJ's. That's why the Itch concept doesn't fit me completely.
In other words. i would like to see the Itch features on SSL so I can still use my personal mixer, and CD players, but also remix on the fly.

Again, I do respect also the toughts of the 'no-go' people, because I also feel that SSL was developed for one particular concept.

Still the question remains for me: Why not expand possibilities?
after all, you're not obliged to use all the (new) features, do you...?
And people like me can explore new possibilities...
Well, It's just what i like to do...

I agree on 1 thing,
if new features jeopardize stability, I'm also against it..
At this moment, SSL delivers rocksolid performance for me,
and that main focus may never change.

They'll never do all of these things because they're already working on a successor to scratchlive....well that's my hope anyway.

I'd say the coding they did for the current version of scratchlive, was simply outputting two audio sources to two different audio outputs (the sl1 and the ttm57..which is basically a sl1 inside the mixer)

I'm guessing you won't see anything like this in the current version of scratchlive, that's why all we seem to be getting is more looping possibilities, better cue points etc...

if they put auto sync in serato i will cry then i will throw my serato box in the garbage, make compilation cd's, or buy actual vinyl, or even quit dj'ing. this is a pro level audio software... FUCK AUTO SYNC. emergency what... u left ur headphones at home, look at the wave forms at least it cant get any easier?? seriously?

u should know how to use serato without the display...like how it was done before with vinyl...

No No No and No

I've been Dj'ing for 16 years and my Dj'ing has progressed to a whole other level.

I can lock a bpm in seconds the conventional way, but im now mixing with 3 to 4 elements at the same time that need to be kept in sync.
Although i can act like superman and keep it running for hours in this fashion, it really is something that i don't want to have to waste time and energy doing.
With an autosync i can focus more on composition and live production, without having to worry about drift and mishaps.

Dj'ing is an evolving artform, i no longer just mix two tracks, i create, therefore i am an artist.
This is the future of Dj'ing (Digital Jockeys!!).
I've heard it for 20 years that your not a good dj unless you can lock a bpm, or mix with vinyl etc. But the truth is, the audience doesn't care !

Your just limiting yourself to physical aspects and not music and creativity.

So please, add Auto sync and a whole host of other functions !

Cheers !

Can i just add, this is like driving with square rims, when the wheel has already been invented.

Sorry !

i agree..
midi mapp the wave and make an autosync . otherwise in my lives i ll have to use ableton or traktor

IHO it belongs in another program

Well if Autosync somehow effects Serato's stability, then it wouldn't be a good thing.

Im not very experienced in the software developing world, but i'd be interested to know how difficult it would be for the program to align the peaks (beats) of the wav/mp3 file. Or maybe you tap the start and end point of a bar, and it uses that grid to align with !? Doesn't it do this when it measures bpm ? I have no idea.

For those of you who don't want to use it, just switch it off.

Its too late to attempt to stop the virtual dj's of the world, because the technology is there, and they will use it.

But the point is, thats not what makes you a good DJ !!

It still boils down to reading the audience, track selection, and knowing how to build a set !!

All the technology in the world isn't gonna help someone with that.

Im a pro dj and a producer, and i like Serato, simply because i've mixed with vinyl all these years, and this program allows me to blur the lines between my studio and my dj set.

Is Serato going to limit itself in this area to keep the 'die hards' happy ?

I agree Fx would be too much and certain other features from lesser programs, but things like autosync, midi controlled wave manipulation, and (dare i say) extra simultaneous tracks, should be standard for a digital mixing program.

I just think that it makes little sense for SSL to do it. A program designed for beat matching should have a master BPM and build around that.
JMHO

Aha ok. Thanks for the input.

+1 Leave it all for a new version of Serato Live, keep Serato scratch as bloat free as possible and maybe update the soundcard.

Serato Scratch Live should be left to 2 decks

Serato Live (Ableton Collab) should be unlimited amount of decks able to be controlled with vinyl

Please be careful of what you ask as far as upgrading hardware you will be buying a TTM-99.... No updates to hardware we paid enough money already. I would hate to see beat matching but I wouldn't have to use it. But everyone one on this forum must admit that there is one time while they have been mixing that they wanted that damn button so you could be doing something else. Change is a must at some point, what change I hope for is that they fix the auto gain how overviews are built, crate colors and that damn wobble I hear when speeding up or slowing down a song(play an a capella speed it up slow it down you will hear what I am talking about), I mean can't we really request stuff that is needed and not just the bells and whistles.... What I am saying is don't you want a more stable and better functioning product not just an extra bell.

As far as change......I remember back in 1990 I was going to Devry Institute and in class they said "in a few years you will be able to go into a store and buy a song any song as many as you like and put it on a small device to carry around. I was like what the hell,,,this is before MP3 which was also discussed in the class,,,,,,I mean people still had cassettes and 8 tracks... CD's were the new kid on the block....Well have you ever been to I-tunes, Yahoo... Change will come as hard is it is for us to believe. I am old-school carried crates and those heavy ass turntables and had to change with the times just like we all will and have done. Implement it who cares because on the real a wanna be dj will still be just that, they would find a way to cheat as they have no skills that's what they do, they are like roaches that will never die. Like I said I don't want it but there may be a time that I could use it.

I think it should be sold as a plugin to any DJ that has less than ten years for $3000 if you have your time in then it should be free free..... or you would have to take a test to get the plug-in.....Yeah that would work, we could set up a live cam and all of could just tune in and laugh at the fakers and we decide who get the plugin... Change will come just look around you it's changing as we read this post. JUST MY 2 Cents......

AS IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WAVIES AS IT IS!!

NO.

All the other programs have got auto-matching now and its time serato caught up with the competion! I can beat match as good as anyone but having an auto feature would be handy, djing ain't just about putting two records together anymore, its about remixing on the fly with loops and samples. Its pratically got and auto feature on it with the wave form peaks and that so unless they add this feature i'm going to tracktor i think for the wealth of other features it also carries! sorry!

I don't think we will see a beat sync in Scratch Live anytime soon guys.
ITCH has it, for those that are interested.... www.serato.com

No No No Serato Team Please Do Not....

Hold on a second... giving a second tought on the opposite side of this treat... this will be so great for all those bars, clubs, private gigs among others to saved alot of money having just the best of all!!! why? well if SSL gets totally automated it there will be not necessary to have a "dj" to work for them!!! Just Plug the SSL and Play... this will be so great!.

Thank you Serato
NO +1

anybody use the ITCH and can you do video with it....

the problem with itch it s that for professional use you usually cant arrive to a club and play with it.-- all the room equalization is changed .
itch should be a open software that could work with an external soundcard and any midi controller. thats wy i am not using it.

and if you will not do it , you could midi map the waveform (player) to be possible to scrool/scratch /scrub in internal mod with a midi controller.
thanks

Hi Nick M and all,
Since some months ago, i only use a Denon midi controller (like many DJ), It's impossible in SSL to go over a +8%/-8% pitch values. So what can We do ???
I really don't like fuction like "Beatmatch", but if she rules like in Itch: it will be grate for midi User in SSL.

Example in SSL: Track 1 is playing at 108 bpm (pitch= +8%) and Track 2 = 98 bpm
-> i must accelerate track 2 at +10% but SSL can't!

Same example for the 2 tracks BUT in ITCH: I use Breatmatch and Track 2 goes directly to 108 bpm and i can accelerate it for +6 % again to go at 114 bpm if i want.

So, the best for midi user is to have a +16%/-16% in SSL, i was mixing like that with 1.8.0 or to have "Beatmatch" in SSL to résolve this issue of +8%/-8% in SSL like in itch.

If you make Scratch do everything Itch does, and vice verse, whats the point of having to programs?

The problem isn't to SSL makes everything like Itch, but like i said: Midi Users just want to use our controllers to control all option in SSL without having to use the keyboard and the computer at all: just that.
If it's impossible: what is the advantage to have native support if we can't mix like on cd players ?

I'm not understanding why we can not have auto beatmatching installed on SSL. If it works on Itch then it should be an easy plugin for SSL. I for one am a fan for the phrase the less work the better. I can throw in some effects if I don't have to be worried about matching the beats. I use to match the beats with my headphones but when I started using the graphic beat function I was very impressed on how accurate it can keep the beat. Hence to save my ears from becoming deaf when I'm a grandpa I'm sticking with it. I allways use a monitor and when you combine the graphic display it really for an easy mix within seconds. At the same time I can talk to people while mixing mainly because I'm beat matching with my eyes not my ears. As technolgy changes we as DJ should also change.

So that doesnt really have anything to do with a 'sync button'



or not

I think its because Itch was designed from the ground up with beat matching in mind, while SSL was not. It is probably allot more then just adding a button, something like that seams more fundamental then just a button. It would probably be not so efficient.

and again, if you make both Itch and SSL have all the same features, what would be the point?

Hi AKIEM,

I've seen that you play on Turntable and CD: on CD you can put the pitch value at +12% to make some particular mix. On Turntables, you cannot to the same particular mix if your pitch scale go from -8% to +8%. In this case, if you have the "Auto mix function" you will be able to do exactly the same mixes on both platform.
It is just what i wanted to explain...no more because for the moment: we can't.
For the moment there's a lot kind of mix that i can't do anymore with my midi controller...for what ??? just because SSL team has decided to block the pitch value from -8 to +8 ??? I use SSL to improove my mix and not for the contrary.

? why would u really need to + or - 16... just start using the other tts pitch...

When you "deccelerate" a pitch value, the mix havent got the same impact as when you acclerate it.

thats 100% true but bull shit bc honestly even with key lock if u + even 7% pitch its starts 2 sound like shit anyway... seriously what are u like making crazy mash ups of hip hop accapellas over house beats on the fly or are u trying to instantly go from an 83 bpm song to like a 98 bpm song without fillers?

scratchlive.net

has to do with playing too fast

Well when I play on CD, Im not running SSL and Im mostly pitched at 0.
And when I'm on tables, I hardly ever go above +6 / -2

I'm not sure what you mean by "block the pitch value", Its the turntable that controls the speed, you can get whatever turntable speed you want. and in internal it goes +-16, so I dont fallow you there.

I dont think you would need 'auto mix' to double pitch, its a whole dif issue.

Nooo, please don't. This is a lame feature for newbie DJ's who should be learning the correct way, through their ears.

I don't know any experienced jock who would ever use this feature.

+1000000000000000000 phunk nasty

No,I like turntable,I trust my ear ^_^
If use beat sync auto BPM,DJ no funny.

You don't understand what i want to explain, but in fact if you don't go over +6 of value pitch, i undestand that you don't need this king of feature.

djphunknasty & CHN Teddy... i use my ear to mix since over 10 years :-) That's not the subject of what i explain lol I was talking about the limitation of pitch value of SSL when you use midi controller device.

o ok no auto sync please its depressing thinking i spent the last two years learning to beat match by lining up 2 colored wave forms and that now its as easy as pushing a button... That was just a joke some humor for all of u seeing as this topic gets a little fierce at times.

NO autosync

Im not against the feature because I dont need it. There are other features I dont need that Im not against.

SSL will run at ANY speed, depending on the hardware. And in internal mode it will go up to double or half +/- 16, which is a huge range if you ask me. And yes I see a couple holes in the range (between 2x and 45), but if you are skilled enough to be mixing so crazy, Im sure you can mix around those wholes. And Im not apposed to those holes being covered in internal mode.

But this still has nothing to do with Auto Sync. Sure Auto Sync will cover those holes, but its not the only way to deal with them, and hardly an efficient method if all you are going after is those speeds that are in the gap.

Itch

I too grew up on TT's, and then graduated to CDJ's (for the portability), then i sold my CDJ's, and bought serato, but still got my decks. IMHO, if you want something to auto beat match (do the work for you), why not buy a program that is dedicated to dj'ing that way. I love my serato scratch, but I am also exploring other formats, specifically ableton and reason. They are both great, but they each have their own strong points.
I have one oldish laptop dedicated for just serato, and music. For nights when i want to grab many, many tracks of many genres I grab serato. For other nights when I am going to play more of a niche, I will grab my other laptop with ableton and reason on it and my midi controllers. This in turn gives me more versatility with remixing live. I can deconstruct, add new sounds, and then reconstruct a track on the fly without having to worry about keeping the tracks in beat (although, you do the work ahead of time by warping the track).
As far as the n00bs starting out are considered; if they want to take the shortcut, that's up to them. When their pc, or precious mac crashes on them, what will they do then??? I myself grab some cd's/vinyl just in case anything should ever go wrong.
As for my son, he will be learning to beatmatch like I did.

just my .02

so in a nutshell, i say why change a good thing while its working

I can't wait to see what they do with Ableton. and them with Cycling 74.

if you're using something to "auto sync" for you then why would you even need turntables..i always thought SSL was for people that had turntables and just didnt wanna carry around crates..midi controllers are cool and all but SSL is what it is now because you can use it with your own turntables for scratchin and blendin..the program wouldn't be the same if you could do everything with a midi controller..i'm glad serato is trying to split the two programs although i think itch should work with any midi controller..

may i just add that any wannabe dj that turns up to a gig without records and not able to beat match is soon gonna get sussed out and kicked out when one day their laptop dies from spilt beer etc!

bring on the beat match and let them make fools of themselves

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etc.

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I'm not suggesting people eschew technology. Otherwise to make people dance we wouldn't be DJs, we'd be sitting in the corner of the room playing music on a harpsichord while wearing a curly white wig (or banging an animal hide stretched over a hollowed out tree trunk).


Obviously technology brings advances and SOMETIMES we wanna embrace these. The harpsichord led to the piano, which led to the electric keyboard (which can make a sound like a harpsichord...) but sometimes there's a kinda pinnacle: pianos have made harpsichords a thing of the past but electric keyboards have NOT seen off pianos. Very often we just don't need (or want) that extra level of technology.

I'm not one of the people who is being a wanker for the sake of elitism, and I don't feel threatened that someone who can't beatmatch will steal my gigs if he has a tool that'll do it for him.

I just feel that SSL is pretty near perfect at doing what it was intended to do - emulate using real vinyl - and adding more features that aren't related to that would tend to bloat it. (Before we know it a paperclip will appear on the screen and cheerily say "what records do you want to mix today?") Yeah there's the argument that you can choose not to use features, but I'd rather the developers were focussed on working towards stuff like library artwork - making using SSL MORE like using real vinyl.

Sorry, that's not a good analogy.

Serato SSL will never have a sync button... it would defeat the purpose, I don't understand why it has an internal mode either as it's poorly implemented in the 1st place

I think internal mode is there as an emergency precaution, for example: say one of your turntables goes out while your in the middle of a gig. Just switch that deck to internal mode and use instant double and you can keep the party going

What's all of the controls there for then. Using a mouse in internal mode is too clucky and they haven't implemented midi enough to make it work well. Mighty as well banish it imo. Now if they implemented full midi contol then i'm all for it (no autosync though) but what's the point of it when it's to made to work with midi controllers with scratch pads for example.

It's basically becaue they want you to but propietry hardware, now if this is the case why don't they let someone make a serat scratch midi controller... probably because they want you to buy Itch, something i'm not going to use in it's current form.

one table action its good for

maybe Rane owns the hardware rights

Wow! I can't even believe this thread has gotten this long...



+1

indeed.

the first analogy summed it up.

dont do it in scratchlive.

consider it for itch.

Damn... I was waiting for such a god punch-line!

*Good*

"Groove is in the heart."

not the buttons!

Ok Get Ready,
I have a question for the Professors, when you are in INT mode why is it that there are pitch controls in the program and no Auto Sync. Why even bother adding the pitch control if you cannot have an auto Sync. Am I missing something here? This question is for THE - SSL - TTM - 57SL ssl owners.

lol.

WOW... that has to be the most idiotic question I've ever heard...LMAO

same reason they put pitch control but not autosync on technics i guess.

so that a dj can use his or her skill to match the speeds and create a pleasing combination of two songs :)

Isn't it the OTHER way around? They're adding a bunchocrap to make themselves look better. NOT!

+1 for the feature. don't hate. like the NS7 sync

<<<<still laughing at "Microwave DJ's"

go spin an organ matinée at the skating rink!

Come on already!!! Can't we just have one auto button on each deck for anything we'd like to automate? Mate!

All you really good DJ's shut you mouths on this one alright because I'm not going to wait any longer for this. There are too many sell-out sheeple that are sucking up every opportunity we have to show these people what a real party is all about. Make a version with mad amounts of autosynch buttons and call it Serauto Scrack!

This way the masses will never learn how be a "real" DJ and the gigs shall be ours! Muahahahahahahhahahahahaahaha!

Frankie_PC - The Strong Island Underground

no beat sync ever or else i switch to traktor jk ;)

but seriously no beat sync plz im wavie enough as it is

Here's a better idea!!!

Reading Your Mind: Interfaces for Wearable Computing
Watchwww.youtube.com

New technology to auto beat sync using your mind to push the.....uhhhmm...mind button.

AKIEM started to watch it, but since no one started any Jerk, he just shut it off.

I'm not sure there is a good reason why there should NOT be a sync button....

If you're anything like me, you have several crates. The BPM are displayed in the crate. Then you have visual aids to add to that. Whts the difference between adjusting the pitch faders and pressing a sync button?

IMO there is no difference. The beats are built-in (BPM is displayed) and the wave form (yellow and Red) shows exactly where u need to be. A sync button would make things easier.

I am a VDJ user (when I spin videos) and a NS7/Itch user. Serato sounds 100% better when performing, scratching, effects, eq, etc... But VDJ interface is much easier to use. The video stuff is great too.

I haven't used SSL yet but I just don't undersand the debate. If it makes my job easier, add it!

And yes, I can beatmatch by ear... no problem.